"Super trout, mega-trout...

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Roper, Jun 8, 2005.

  1. Nooksack Mac

    Nooksack Mac Active Member

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    I'm confused. If we're not supposed to go back to the secret hotspot that a friend took or directed us to (because that would be violating a confidence), if we're not supposed to use the recommendations of fishing articles and books (because in your perfect world, nobody would write such things), and if we're not supposed to drive around and explore at random (because that would be wasting expensive and air-polluting gasoline)... then how are we to know where to go fishing?
     
  2. Wayne Kohan

    Wayne Kohan fish-ician

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    I think there are a couple of issues here. First off, I agree there needs to be articles and postings about where to fish so we can all learn of new and different places. Most reports on this site are about well known places, such as Lenice and Dry Falls and the Yakima. I like to read those reports, mostly for enjoyment and for future reference. If people post a report saying they caught 50 gazillion fish in two hours of spectacular fishing, I certainly don't believe that will happen to me if I grab my rod and head out the door to that place immediately. Articles such as fishing the lower Yakima for smallmouth opens new water for flyfishers and reminds us of the other possibilities for fishng out there.

    The article in question seemed to raise several ethical issues as well documented in the previous post. By the way I spent a few days in Winthrop last summer, and I found the fishing slow though that was not the purpose of my trip and so I didn't spend a lot of time on the water. I also didn't use the tactics suggested by the author. However, there weren't fish everywhere.

    I think this site does a good job of giving out details during reports without being too specific about our "honey holes." Members seem to be sensitive to such things. I have found members willing to share more info about places either by using the PM feature on this site, or by taking others to their places. (I still need to hook up with Zen to see where he goes all the time!)

    Wayne
     
  3. Roper

    Roper Idiot Savant

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    Let me share this in a effort to refocus my statement. It's about HYPE! BULLSHIT! EXAGGERATION! SUPER! MEGA! ETC....!

    I'm not saying it's a bad thing to report on a fishery, but keep it real.

    Those of you that have fished the Methow, didja catch any monsters of 20 to 25 inches? Did that mega-trout spool you and generally kick your ass? Or did you catch trout in the same general size as say, the Yakima?

    Think about it while I go wax poetically about Ross Reels... :clown:
     
  4. Ken Hunter

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    You know that river is hardly a secret. The fish are not that easy to catch. It will attract the one time fisherman. After a good long drive, an expensive room and meal at Sun Mountain Lodge, and a good skunking, that will be it.
     
  5. jackchinook

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    There are valid points all around....but I particularly agree with Roper on this one. The fishing in the Methow is good. There are cutts in the mid-20's, I've caught A FEW, but that's been over many days on the water fishing for steelhead.

    The bottom line is that the article is full of hype, it's cavalier, and it's irresponsible. It focuses on and glorifies the exceptions to the norm, not the norm. It promotes tactics that will bring to hand ESA-listed species more effectively than the resident trout (which, remember, are the focus of the open season) and, I believe, promotes targeting steelhead outside of the steelhead season. It also fails mention good fish handling.

    I find it particularly interesting that these so-called 'mega-trout' are most successfully encountered towards the end of the summer....I believe the author says "late August through the end of September" right before the end of the season. Then, magically, as the steelhead season opens in early October, these resident 'chromers' magically disappear and only steelhead are caught? Right...

    Also, nobody mentioned the fact that two of his co-conspirators in the article are (1) one of the few local flyfishing guides on the river (phone # conveniently provided) and (2) a local business owner who ties the magic fly that will get you your trophy fish and "scoffs at state and federal attempts to rebuild native stocks. Note also that the owner of the Carlton store has been trying to sell his store for YEARS. Motives, anyone?

    oh well, just the disgruntled ramblings of a locals who's river has gone to the dogs...
     
  6. Tom H

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    iagree The only MEGA fish I've taken out of that river were whitefish....and actually, a good proportion of the "trout" I've caught there were probably steelhead smolts. Thus I don't fish the river on a regular basis anymore unless it's open for SH.

    On the other hand it could just be my general lack of fishing skills that account for my inability to connect with SUPER trout in that system....I'd probably have to be Arnold "Schwartzenangler" to land one of these BEASTS anyway. In fact after thinking about it, now I'm kind of scared to even try and fish for one of these guys........knowing there are MONSTERS lurking in the Methow, I may never be able to wet wade there again!!!! :rofl:
     
  7. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    When I first read this thread and the other one on this same river I thought it was hype to get me to buy that magazine. But after you all said the Methow I was kinda disappointed as to where this river of big fish were at.

    It is true that it would be a long drive for nothing as I can find just as many places to fish on the wet side for fish. But where I go is anybody's guess as I don't even plan things anymore I just pick a place and go. But as it stands now lake fishing is just about done for as river fishing now takes over.

    And somebody mentioned places to go or rivers to fish. Well here's a few, they are all on local maps,all you need to do is drive to them. Lets see there is the Beckler,Foss,East Fork Foss,Rapid,N/F Sky,S/F Sky,Tye. These all have summer runs in them and Cutts. Then there is the places that don't get big fish like the N/F Sky,Barkley Creek,Money creek,Upper forks of the Miller River.
    There I listed 12 different places to fish. It will take you a short time to learn where to go on these but you might be suprised and what you catch out of them. While these are the head waters of the Skykomish River. There are others head waters that could stand some looking into. But I ain't going into them right now.

    I could tell you more places but this should hold you all for a while. And while I didn't tell you what rock to stand on,that you will have to learn by your lonesome. And if you care,you have all of the little tribs that run into these places and some of them will suprise you.

    Thank you all for asking for places to fish I couldn't be happier giving away all the places to go to,to fish. After all I did waste a lot of gas to find these places. But I've been fishing in them for over 45 years now and am still finding places to fish in this area. All them little blue lines on the maps are running water. Just pick a few and go hit them.

    Jim
     
  8. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    Sadly, that kind of hyperbole is just what the entire industry depends on to sell its products or services to the marketplace. Everyone has an ax to grind and it's almost always about money in one way or another.

    Damned near every ad in every enthusiast magazine is carefully designed and written to imply that unless you buy their latest hyper-modulus, ultra-fast Boron-Titanium XRPii rod or their newest large arbor reel lovingly computer-crafted from spacecraft-grade magnewsium, you won't be able to cast nearly as far or catch nearly as many fish. It's a wonder people ever even managed to catch a fish without all the can't-live-without-it shit that's being stuffed down today's marketing pipeline.

    I'm amazed at how much flyfishing has become like the women's fashion industry. No matter how much of the latest gear you buy or the newest hot spots you visit, you'll always be one step short of the 'cutting edge'.

    About all that's missing is an article on how Paris Hilton has taken up flyfishing and her latest honey hole complete with fish porn . . .

    K
     
  9. headstrong1

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    So it was the Met. That really boils my blood. Its the only local river NCW folks really have to fish. Its small, there aren't that many fish, and its already too crowded. I quit buying those mags a couple years ago after some of my old haunts in MT got ratted. People that want to write about fishing should stick to the experience aspect; the River Why not the River How.

    just my 200 centavos
     
  10. windtickler

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    "Super whiners, mega-whiners...

    It's all the writers fault. Forcing you guys to read all those magazines. In high school, these same guys probably forced you to do drugs. Gimme a break.

    I will say this, it's too bad that magazine doesn't have a letters section. I was surprised nobody here went on a panty raid about last issue's "Wild Browns" article.
     
  11. Roper

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    "Super whiners, mega-whiners...

    Well, now that we've gone of the deep end here, I'll let you in on a little secret. Going off about super whiners is the same as being one.
    And no one forced me to do drugs in high school, I tried 'em all willingly... :clown:

    So, didja wanna share something about "Wild Browns"...?

    BTW, where would you like that break?
     
  12. circlespey

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    I love that magazine and believe that in general they are a responsible bunch, but a few years ago they also ran a story about targeting "giant dollies" on the OP during the summer. Several well-meaning people wrote in and pointed out they were protected in the drainages referred to and NW Flyfishing ran a few of the letters, apologized, and said that they did not endorse targeting endangered species. Of course, an apology paragraph in the letters section is a lot less visible than a cover story on giant dollies, but still they printed a retraction.

    I suspect that if someone who knows the Methow river and fish wrote in a well-formed letter to the magazine talking about how the fishing being described was a risk to other protected species, the magazine would print it. And thoughtful people would read that and add it to their consideration of fishing the Methow.

    It seems that a real response letter in the magazine is the only productive course of action here if that's what people believe in.

    As for writers, I don't have any problem with someone "scooping" a river. I think it's pretty absurd to think that a river is not public domain, and that a writer or a guide or a lodge or a magazine can't use that public resource to further their interests. If it means the rest of us have to keep looking for more quiet spots, then so be it.
     
  13. Whitey

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    Ya know, the only thing that I have learned is to not get pissy about this stuff, or the internet, or people on the internet. But I will anyway, so here gos: Flyfishing has become so big that none of this matters anymore. But it is suprising to see people make comments of how lame everything is, but they work in a flyshop and hype up the marketing BS themselves, oh, but not that river, or that product. Frankly, the flyfishing industry is such a lame industry, behind the scenes its such a joke. Everybody hates everybody else, guides hate other guides, this shop hates that shop, its so true, but they keep a straight face on in front of the customers to sell, sell, sell. I've watched people who have no business doing it, promote themselves as god's gift to the sport. It's true, and the bottom line is that it doesn't even matter. Sheer numbers game, with so many people getting into flyfishing, it totally works, the new guys don't know any better, your selling it, their buying it. So don't hate Probasco, when you were a newbee, you liked it, you thought his mag was sweet! But now you got some game, been around long enough to know the difference, and are calling it how you see it. And what you see is that Washington is really a totally messed up place to go fishing, but don't worry, their gonna keep sellin it, and people will always buy it.

    But heres a real winner of a plan, sweetest idea yet: get a guides lisence, its like 300 bucks, Then call all the manufactures you can think of and tell 'em how sweet you are, and they'll give you such a fat deal on gear you'll be in hog heaven. Start a website, to make it look legit, and in no time you can be in the big game! Dude, its sooooo been done, you'll have all the newest crap at half-off! booya! Go fishing once a week, write some BS article, now you have street cred, sure the haters are gonna hate, but so what, look at you, your the man, your so fly, all the fly honeys are knockin down your door. And more, and more, and more, soon your at Jim Teeny status, doin all the big shows, promoting the sport, and then the next generation of peeps come callin, this is where the real dollars start rollin in, they have no idea about the past or the history of your "beloved" sport, but your selling it, and their buying it.

    Its called capitalism, and this country was founded on it. And if they didn't do what I just described to you, somebody else would.

    So stop all this nonsense, just go fishing, life is short and a bus could hit you at any minute, so take a deep breath, make a cast, and hope for the best.

    YT :cool:
     
  14. Crump

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    YT - Brotha


    I totally agree.


    That, I believe, was the best post I have read this year, bravo!!
     
  15. Backyard

    Backyard SANCHO!

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    Don't you mean... "Stop all this nonsense, just go fishing, cause you could get hit by the short bus any minute... by my mom, so take a deep breath, make a cast, and hope for the best."

    :rofl: :rofl:

    Good post YT