Swing sinktips deep

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by yuhina, Jan 3, 2011.

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sinktip adjustment

  1. faster sink rate, same length

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  2. faster sink rate, longer length

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  3. same sink rate, longer length

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  4. change casting angle

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  5. change to heavy weighted fly

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  6. add weight to leader

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  7. others

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  1. yuhina

    yuhina Tropical member

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    Hi All,

    I was wondering what's your winter fishing strategy regarding to swing sinktips for trout/ steelhead.

    For instance, what you will do if you are fishing in a run with a moderate speed (t14, 10 feet) then, you are moving into another faster run ahead of you. What strategy you will use to get the fly down?

    my choice: change to heavy weighted fly...
    looking forward to your input. thanks.


    Mark
     
  2. willburrrr2003

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    I am completely new only have one outing for steelhead so far, but here is my setup. I am using an inherited rod from my friends grandfather that was an avid fisherman. The rod is from somewhere around 1955. I am using a nice new floating line, with a sinking leader, then a couple foot of 3x tippet. I am using flies with a larger hook for more weight to aid in sinking. I have two sinking leaders to choose from, a fast sinking one and an ultra fast sinking one. the faster the water the faster you want it to sink, the slower the water the slower you want it to sink (based on advice from fly shop). This weekend I will by tying some Skykomish Sunrise flies to test out on Saturday on the Skykomish.
     
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    If the next run I fish is slightly faster than the previous one, and I was set up optimally at the previous run, I'll first adjust my casting angle to see if that will put my fly in the zone. That is, if I was casting 90* straight across in the first run, I will cast slightly upstream in the second run to see if the extra drift and sink time gets my fly where I want it. If not, then I will try a weighted fly (faster adjustment) before switching to a faster sinking tip.

    Sg
     
  4. Grayone

    Grayone Fishin' to the end, Oc.P

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    The new run, will I be able to swing it out in 5 min, 10 min, 30 min?.....is the depth the same? Will I have to cast farther or shorter? Am I fishing moals, hairwings, etc? What are the tailout characteristics? Do I have to deal with obstructions in the run or tailout? To me, it all depends?
     
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    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    This is good already. I'm thinking faster sink rate, same length; change casting angle; other: mend to achieve the desired depth/drift. I can't wait to see more responses like Sg and Grayone though!
     
  6. yuhina

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    yuhina Tropical member

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    I have to agree I am a bit reluctant to spend time on change sink tips ... thus, lead me to change the fly...
    Yeah, Keith read my mind here too... I agree "time investment" also play a role in the equation.

    One of the problem I have encountered lately, is fishing the "rock garden" type. longer sinktip always give me some problem that the line get a "hang" on the rock, then it "floss" through the rocks and get snagged up at the end. A heavy weighted fly will "tick" the rock first and give me some warning before I swing too deep, but again, the weighted fly has another set of problem that it become more "jig" action...
     
  8. Chris Bellows

    Chris Bellows Your Preferred WFF Poster

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    i will use all of the above except adding weight to leader.

    and i will never understand the issue with the time to change a sinktip. my time is too valuable to not be fishing the most effective tip, and the time lost to breaking off a fly due to not changing probably takes an equal if not longer time (especially if you have to add leader material).

    time is valuable, but changing a tip is not wasteful if done for a reason.
     
  9. Nooksack Mac

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    I think most of us use two or more of these in tandum. I almost always use 15-foot sinktips, which can be cast with switch rods if they're not too dense. And I change density of my tip if the other fixes aren't enough. I use heavily weighted flies only if nothing else will work. An extra-dense tip is easier to cast than a big MOAL with lead-weighted eyes. Casting a little further upstream and/or throwing in an extra mend gets you a little deeper.

    And since you can't see a sunk fly, rely on touch. If you're hooking bottom every two or three casts, you're overweighted. If you're not hooking bottom ever, it's time to change.
     
  10. orangeradish

    orangeradish Eyes to the sky...

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    I am a shitty steelheader, so take this with a big grain of salt.

    Fishy dudes told me to cast across and down, mend, then do a big lift with the rod. The fly dead drifts for a bit before going tight and starting the swing. This lets it get down where the alleged steelhead allegedly reside.
     
  11. Mark Speer

    Mark Speer It's all good.....

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    If I am having success with the fly I was using in the first run, I will just change sinktips. I mainly use a Type 3 and type 6 15'. If I haven't had any luck in the first run I may just change to a heavier fly using the same tip. If no one is behind me, I will come back through with the same fly and heavier tip. If that doesn't work, I'll get out, have a cigar and a nip and start it over again!:)
     
  12. Yard Sale

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    They call it hunting fish for a reason. Slow down, take your time, and fish each piece of water the RIGHT way. Change flies, tips, whatever. Just make sure you have full confidence in your set up for that run.

    I never understood the change casting angle deal. Yes, your fly sinks deeper, but think about the angle your line is in the water when it swings....a tip at 90 degrees is going to yank that fly through that water WAY too fast.

    Heavier tip, heavier fly if you really want to get down in that water, but you gotta ask why your fishing faster water in the first place....

    My $.02 stolen from the take a penny bin.
     
  13. stewart dee

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    I like a type 3 and heavy fly in the winter= My dollar if that helps with the bus fair.
     
  14. Matt B

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    Can you describe this "big lift" a little more? (Allegedly)

    You're not actually pulling the fly upstream are you?
     
  15. golfman65

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    Have heard this repeated by some steelhead legends....

    It's something I always think about but say F--- it...and just put on a heavier or lighter fly...

    I'm inbetween on my own experience....but for catch rates have done better with a heavier tip and a unweighted fly...

    this year i'm going with the heavier fly and lighter tip or heavy heavy and see what happens...