Swivels for chironomid fishing?

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  1. generic

    generic Justified

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    I'm going to try (better) at chironomid fishing, and heard about using swivels..?

    Does anyone here use that method? If so, what is it exactly? Do you just tie a swivel a foot or so above the fly?
     
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  2. Scott Salzer

    Scott Salzer previously micro brew

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    I've heard about that but I'm not sure that it would be considered a "weight" or not, which is not legal - from what I understand in FF only waters. Why would you want to use a swivel? I bead head will work as a "weight".

    Check with DFW.

    MB
     
  3. IveofIone

    IveofIone Active Member

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    I watched a video last night of a famous BC chironomid fisherman and guide that was using a swivel. He stated right up front that it helped to get the 'mid down quickly. An episode of Trout TV had Brian Chan also using a swivel as just a standard part of his rigging. Whether they are using it as weight to get around a lead ban I don't know. I do know however that having 2 'mids on at once and hooking a really hot fish can make a helluva mess with just 2 flies and an indicator. Adding in a swivel with 2 more knots and more surface to entangle seems counterproductive, things seem to get messed up enough without it.

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  4. Stonefish

    Stonefish Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater

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    Dave,
    If you decide to use a swivel, check out the Vision Rolling Barrel Swivels.
    They make them down to size 12, which is a incredibly small swivel.
    SF
     
  5. Scott Salzer

    Scott Salzer previously micro brew

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    This is from page 10 of the regs. If I was an enforcement officer with WDFW, I would consider the swivel as a weight. What other purpose would it serve? Guess you could take your chances on FF Only.

    Of course, this applies only to "Fly Fish Only".



    yarn cover a minimum of half of the shank of

    the hook. Metallic colored tape, tinsel, mylar, or





    bead eyes may be used as an integral part of

    the design of the fly pattern.



    Fly Fishing Only In “Fly Fishing Only” waters,
    an angler may use only the following tackle: up
    to 2 flies, each with a barbless single-point hook,
    not to exceed ½ from point to shank, and a
    conventional fly line (other line may be used for
    backing or leader if attached to at least 25 feet of
    fly line). Anglers may not use fixed spool reels,
    bait, or weight attached to the leader or line.
    Only knotless nets may be used to land fish.
    An angler with a disability, who has been issued
    a special use disability permit and has it in
    their possession, may fish in “Fly Fishing Only”
    waters with spin casting gear, with a casting
    bubble, and may use an electric motor while
    fishing on “Fly Fishing Only” lakes where fishing
    from a boat is allowed. All other restrictions li
     
  6. Obsessed

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    I recently saw a video from Chan/Rowley where they used swivels. My recollection is that they provided three reasons to use a swivel: 1) as a bobber stop for slip indicators, 2) as additional weight and 3) as an attractor to help determine the depth the fish are cruising at (if fish are biting a swivel I'm not sure why I bother with tying specific patterns :)). Sounds like #2 can make it a no go for fly fishing only waters.
     
  7. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    No, no, no, no, no, no, no, and I repeat once again no. Do not use a swivel. Yes fish will eat a swivel, or try to anyway.
     
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    So.... it's okay to use a swivel, as long as you have a hook on it too. :p
     
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    I can't see a good reason for one. I usually fish two chironomids, one beadhead, the other not. They get down plenty quick. I try to keep things as uncomplicated as possible. Adding another component seems unnecessary.
     
  10. typhoon

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    In B.C. swivels are used in deep water under an indicator to get the chironomid down quickly.
    It is illegal to use 2 flies everywhere, and in our fly fishing only waters both the indicator and a swivel would be illegal. Oh, and lead is legal here.
    Many top fishers have switched to tungsten beadhead chironomids to reduce tangles with long 20+ foott leaders.
     
  11. Lue Taylor

    Lue Taylor Lue Taylor/dbfly

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    Huh?????
     
  12. Greg Armstrong

    Greg Armstrong OldRodsHaveMoreFun

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    I don't believe I'll ever question Chan or Rowley's successes and/or methods for fishing lakes.
    They seem to be pretty good at their craft.
    Having said that, the old saying "there's more than one way to skin a cat" holds true here, I'm sure.
     
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    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    If Chan and Rowley fished in Washington they would fish two flies and skip the swivel.
     
  14. Nick Clayton

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    I tried it once, but ultimately... What purpose does it serve?

    My tungsten bead flies get down PLENTY fast. No need to add a swivel. Just one extra piece to the equation. I thought maybe it would make it easier to change tippet, but it didn't. It was just a hassle.
     
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    The only thing I can see is if you change flies alot (thus blow through your tippet quick) it would keep you from using up your main leader everytime you have to change your tippet. But really, this is true with and part of all fly fishing.