Tacoma Narrows (Gig Harbor side)

Discussion in 'Saltwater' started by Tom Johnston, Jun 23, 2008.

  1. Tom Johnston

    Tom Johnston Been around a while

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    I have been kicking around the idea of taking another set of lessons. Took them 15 years ago when I first started fly fishing. Started back up couple months ago. Sure some techniques have changed a bit. Can only do me some good.
     
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    flybill Purveyor of fine hackle, wine & cigars!

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    Maybe, if you're already a decent caster. Invest in some private lessons and/or spend some time just practicing. Learn the double haul, I'm almost there with it. My timing is just a bit off and I really have to focus to do it correctly. I want it to be as effortless as possible, so that I can focus on the actual fishing.

    Maybe the line you have doesn't match up to the rod you have. Try other lines and invest in a line that works for that rod and casting style. The last thing I would do is buy a new rod to address your problems, since you'll still need to improve your casting and end up buying a new line or lines to match it anyway. I am assuming that you like the rod that you're using.

    Oh yeah, so how far are you actually casting in real fishing conditions? What kind of fly are you casting? Consider a new leader or a shorter one if your fly is heavily weighted, that will help you turn over the fly better.

    You can find a lot of video on the web just by searching, but in person instruction works best for meand I'm fortunate to know some very good casters that are incredible fishermen as well. A great site to check out for casting is http://www.sexyloops.com.

    Good luck!
     
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    Tom Johnston Been around a while

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    I bought a Cabelas brand of line, not too bad its a WF 6#. The rod and reel are a 6# so I think its a good match. I just dont feel much out of the rod, as in loading. If I get a good loop going and its not raining side ways I can throw it possibly 50ft with 7ft of leader. Thats in the salt water. Most of the time its between 40 and 50 ft on average. I noticed I have a heck of a time getting the fly tangled with were the leader meets the floating line. Think I might be trying too hard. What I noticed I try and do is shoot the line out to where I see the big ones splashing. Where around Tacoma is the closest place I can go and get a good private lesson at?
     
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    flybill Purveyor of fine hackle, wine & cigars!

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    Go and talk to Clark and Anil up at Puget Sound Fly Co (site sponsor) in Kent and they can hook you up or tell you better where to find instruction. Steve Buckner is a guide and great caster south of you too! I have his contact info around somewhere, but he's on the board when he not guiding or fishing. He wrote an article or two in the articles section, and I'm sure is listed in the directory on the board. He's coached me on the double haul and is both a single and double handed casting instructor and a very good guy!

    http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com.../Fly_Fishing_Steelhead__by_Steve_Buckner.html

    The FFF (Federation of Flyfisher's) site would have info on who's a certified casting instuctor in your area too.

    I don't know the Cabelas lines at all, but an option for you is to overline your rod with a 7wt line or buy one of the many lines that are weighted a 1/2 weight higher such as the SA GPX, Rio Grand, etc. Don't overline the rod though unless it's a faster action rod, imho. Go to a shop and try lines out on your rod and then buy the line at the shop! Support the local shops whenever you can please!

    If you're having the leader hit the line, yes you are using too much power on your forward stroke. This causes a tailing loop which is why you're getting tangled messes or wind knots in your line. Let the rod do the work and use a bit less power on that forward stroke.

    Good luck! I've got to get down south next month to chase some sea run's. I haven't been down the narrows or Purdy in quite a while now!

    Bill
     
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    Tom Johnston Been around a while

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    Purdy seems to be where its at. Seen people come and go when I have been down there. Got to put in the right amount of time to be rewarded. I have observed a key time in the tide at the spit also(not a pro by any means but have tooken notes on tide). Thanks for the helpful info on instructors in my area. Yeah I noticed I am putting too much power in my forward stroke. Think its because my rod does not have much flex in it, and Im trying to do all the work.
     
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    Oh also I try and buy everthing from local, but local is not so much local anymore. Got a long distance to drive now.
     
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    A fast rod can help with distance, but not as much as good technique. As For beach fishing get yourself a Rio outbound or Airflow 40+ line they are great from the beach along with a stripping basket. Go talk to Anil and Clark at Puget Sound fly Co. There in Kent just North of federal Way they will hook you up. They also offer beach fishing classes with Jon Aqui, Well worth the time and $$$
     
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    Ok thanks on the brand of lines. I was up at the shop on Sat afternoon, and noticed that they did not have any classes in the near future. Might just have to call and ask.
     
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    flybill Purveyor of fine hackle, wine & cigars!

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    The Airflo 40+ is easy to cast a LONG way and rocks on the right rod! I haven't fished one yet, but have demoed lots of rods with it... Strip out way more line than you think you'll shoot, but only cast the head of the line. It overheads well on some of the switch rods I've played with too!

    Haven't cast an Outbound line, but I think that what lots of guys use for local salt action. I've only heard good things about them. :thumb:
     
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    Well might have to pick up some new line. Thats what I get for being a cheap ass. Should of bought a good quality line.
     
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    Tom Johnston Been around a while

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    Let me know Bill and Ill join ya on the beach.
     
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    I've got a fast-action 6wt that loads perfectly with a Rio Grand. For salt, I plunked down the money for a Rio Outbound intermediate. What a great line. Once I figured out how to use it, I can shoot line a mile.

    The trick with that line is to make sure you're loading the rod with the head, the whole head and nothing but the head. It's easy to tell because the head is a different color than the running line. (On the intermediate, the head is clear and the running line is green.) The head is 37.5' long. With your last haul, you want about 35' outside the tiptop. If you have any running line outside the rod, you've just blown your load. If you let the head do the work, the running line will fly through the guides behind it. Pretty impressive.

    Another thing, and I don't fully understand why, is that a stripping basket is absolutely required. When fishing freshwater, I just let the line float downstream and the cast picks it up off the water just fine. Not the case with saltwater. Maybe the salt adds surface tension or something, but saltwater grabs your line and won't let go. A stripping basket effectively added 10-15' to all my casts. I made a home-made jobby out of a plastic tub, tie wraps and a bungy cord.
     
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    Thanks for the info on the RIO line, gonna have to fork out some money and buy some decent line. Thanks:thumb:
     
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    Before you buy either the Airflo 40+ or Rio Outbound, you should cast both. You'll get different opinions on both lines from lots of folks on this board.
    One thing to check out is the running lines. The Rio has a pretty thin running line which can lead to tangles.
    Here is a pretty good thread regarding the issues you might enclounter with these lines.
    http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/board/showthread.php?t=46916
     
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    iagree

    As I mentioned in other posts, I'm a absolute novice in the salt. After my first attempt, I decided I needed a stripping basket and an intermediate-sink shooting-head line. I built the basket at home and figured I'd stop by PSFC on my way to the sound to get the line. Hadn't decided between the Rio and the Airflo and thought the guys at the shop could point me in the right direction.

    Turns out PSFC is closed on Sundays. Went by Sportsman's Warehouse (or whatever the one in Fife is called.) All they had was the Rio. It does get tangled at times, but that seems to be the nature of the beast. Still, all in all, I'm quite happy with my purchase. I've never tried the Airflo, but from what I hear I'm sure it's just as good if not better.