Chester, I see what you're saying. To me your initial post just seemed to be more of a statement than an attempt to actually open up a dialog, but maybe that's just how I read it. I guess it has opened up a dialog though. You are right that there the marine worm discussion is nothing new to the board. I generally have no problem sharing patterns and have shared a few unique patterns here that have worked for me in the past. That's why the board is cool. I guess the way you presented yourself just rubbed me the wrong way.