Discussion in 'Patterns' started by Philster, Aug 8, 2007.
Philster, good looking bug!! What size tube do you use?
HMH micro hard plastic tubing. All the shops I know carry it nowadays. Thank goodness!
Well designed fly, might make a few tweaks and tie some myself, Always looking for new ideas.
I think you have a winner. Thanks for posting.
As far as ballistics go, you should have a pretty small group with that fly...like 1 MOA or maybe even less...
I just think it's a cool pattern, kudo's
Today I purposely tried to find a difference in casting a clouser of the same weight/size vs a s&a of the same weight/size and I can cast both equally. I know the physics behind the ballistics of a round head vs dumbell eyes are remarkably different, but for casting purposes, there is no notable difference.
I personally prefer using s&a's for two reasons, the knot is protected from the punishment of hitting the rocks and it swims true all the time. What is interesting is that most of my hookups are on clousers, even though I enjoy tying on a s&a. Where I fish the water can become murky, so the bright contrasting colors of the bucktail is more visible to the fish than the transparent look of the s&a. At least this is my hypothesis at this stage in the salt game.
You don't have to use transparent materials. Pugliese's seahair (I think it's called that) is a little softer than slinky, but would be great and it is opaque. Polar Air would be great. I believe Anil uses yak hair on bigger ones, and you can buy finer "trout streamer" yak hair. Super hair has some opaque colors. Tie up a few with egg yarn. Arctic fox tied in temple dog style would be perfect. See here for tying demo on this technique http://www.rackelhanen.se/eng/10265c.htm The first time I saw a Shock and Awe I thought "Cool a saltwater Templedog!" That's one reason I like them. Reminds me of steelhead flies, which are my first true tying love.
Heck, tie some with bucktail using a modified "Thunder Creek" style! Gotta think out of the box some times. When you read a new recipe that has ingredients you don't already own, your first thought shouldn't be "I gotta buy some", it should be "what do I have that works?" Fish hair is "lanker" but would work and make a great slim SRC sand lance pattern.
As to the knot on a clouser hitting the rocks... Dude. If I'm smashin' rocks, my last concern is the knot... Besides, my clousers are on tubes these days. Usually with the hook riding point down, not point up. Less fish damage. Think out of the box...
I stand corrected!!!!! I forgot you are a perfect caster and never experience fly damage due to "banging them on the beach!" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I wrote a 3 paragraph answer with a possible solution to your problem, but I'm not feeling any appreciation for the last solution I gave you. So I'll just stick to this instead : I'm quite honest about my flies hitting rocks and why I don't like expensive flies when I'm around rocks. I started this thread, remember? :rofl:
So, hook down causes less damage? Does it tend to not hook as well? I thought (though not sure why aside from the obvious fouling on the bottom reasons), that hook up was preferred...
Hook point up frequently goes through the eye on small fish. I get a bycatch of LOTS of small cutts and salmon smolt in the sound. Hook down does less damage to the resource.
I am sure that it doesn't really matter to the fish, but the S&A just looks so much more like a baitfish......................
Nice work, innovative!:thumb: I don't see a real problem with the ballistics. Much better head profile than a standard clouser. I never liked the head of clouser type flies, this "fold" over technique seems to solve it nicely.
Philster, great looking stuff! Thanks for sharing the pics and info. I agree with other's Anil and his shop are an awesome resource. I'm in BC but had a conference near them and stopped by and enjoyed spending some money over a year ago.
Phil, I'm not too familiar with those tubes directly. How do you like to rig your hook and with what tippet? Thanks!