The Earth Is Bleeding...

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by dryflylarry, May 14, 2010.

  1. FE427TP

    FE427TP The Great Sage

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    No sirs, not a troll, I've lurked off and on for the last year or so since I decided to take up fly fishing reading threads that I was interested in and never saw a thread that I had anything to contribute to. On this one I had a perspective from my employment that is apparently not present here. I guess this will be my baptism by fire ptyd so I'll throw in I fish for Rainbows on a small stream near Bonneville Dam in Southwestern WA, I used a Redington RS4 4 piece 5 weight rod an Okuma reel and I've found that they can't get enough of/the only fly I need is a Royal Coachman. I'm opinionated, but I try to back my opinion by fact and if anyone proves me wrong with backed fact I back down. I like the saying that "a wise man when proven to be wrong will cease to be one or the other"

    IveofIone, If you feel my opinion is wrong, instead of deriding and resorting to insults, prove me wrong. FE427TP is a moniker I've used online for about 14 years now, it relates to Ford engines of the "FE" family, ford used them very successfully in racing in the 60's with the 427 cubic inch tunnel port (T.P.) being one of the most successful ones. It was a hobby of mine when I was younger I always wanted one but never had the money for it. Now when you decide to not swallow the liberal Koolaid your venom dripping post evokes of everyone but you needs to be more open minded and instead start reading from news sources globally you will see that American mainstream media has a strong bias and presents information in a heavily biased way to influence public opinion. Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC, and CNN are all guilty of their biases for their side. It is hard to find unbiased information. But when you see the same news stories presented from outside and inside the US, opinions the US media presents consistently have a strong liberal bias. You research information you're presented with as every responsible person does to verify it I'm sure and my opinion is based off of what I have seen. If you choose not to agree with me that's your right and I'll agree to disagree.:thumb: We can all just get along :cool:

    DryFlyLarry please cite your reference for 1,000,000 deaths the World Health Organization says 56 died directly and estimates another 4,000 will die from the exposure of the 600,000 exposed to high levels of radiation, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster 4th paragraph. Again please cite your reference showing 1,000,000 died from Chernobyl. We do have a common agreement that many people were affected by it and have lower quality of life though and nuclear has a LOT of risk for it's benefits. It is worth noting that France gets around 80% of it's power from nuclear reactors with it's worst incident I've found involving no watering crops or drinking from a river for 2 weeks. The United Soviet Socialist Republic was on it's deathbed as reactor number 4 was being built which probably had an effect on why it happened and was so bad. All in all nuclear power does have a better track record of health and safety for total use compared to other major power sources.

    Unless we take a major step back in the progress of man we will have to accept the problems that arise with our need for energy and try to fix our errors as they arise. But it's worth noting the line we use, the hooks we use, the materials needed to make our float tubes and hip waders all got in the door of our homes one way or another in a cost effective way that allows us to enjoy this sport thanks to our use of oil. I would like to see much more use of heat storage technologies, using black panels on a roof to heat water in a concrete cylinder buried in the yard could be used to both cool the house during the day and keep it warm at night for example to cut down on our need for electricity for heating and cooling. Solar has a lot of problems still and the pollution and chemicals from manufacture of the panels, inverters and lead acid batteries to utilize it by most people who are also running AC electricity from the grid to me doesn't justify it's use yet.

    I'm not trying to step on the toes of anyone, occasionally a dissenting opinion is a good thing :)
     
  2. KerryS

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    Don't know anything about spills or cleaning them up, but I like the simplicity of these guys' approach. Perhaps not a total solution but something that seems possible as part of the cleanup.
     
  3. fredaevans

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    Ah Chernobyl. Built by a country that thinks 'safety' is a secondary issue. Using a 'one off' from Russia is not the one I'd choose to make a point. Have there been other 'this might get interesting'' happen? Yup, three mile Island comes immediately to mind as does the Russian Submarine (K-19?). But lets look at one fact: the design of these things today (a very good guess) is far different from what it was 20-30 years ago. Did you know there are already 100'ish nuke plants (big and small) in the US right now? World wide (per Google) somewhere just under 500 active plants, and more under construction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nuclear_Power_History.png

    But I think it quite 'unfair' to try to compare the knowledge/design of these thing from 20-30 years ago vs today's technology.

    Just my .02 cents as using a Colman Lantern for my primary light source after sun down doesn't have a lot of appeal (well, let's leave camping out of this). And they run on white gas/what-ever.

    fae
     
  4. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Oldskool. So I do plan on reading up a bit on nuke power plants in a new book with the review as follows, so I will reserve my judgement. (This is suppose to be a good book on Chernobyl and not about current nuke plants however.) Thanks for getting me more interested as I should be:

    http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2010/2010-04-26-01.html

    I'm headed out fishing, but flipped the news on for a short morning update. CNN reported that BP profits were something like $61 billion (now I don't remember if it was the 1st quarter or the year). So far, they have spent $450,000,000 on cleanup with more to come of course. But they reported that that only equals 1 weeks of BP profits. So now I'm going to scout out some trout before the next environmental disaster happens!
     
  5. Upton O

    Upton O Blind hog fisherman

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    Dryflylarry,
    When you were a kid, did you ever throw rocks at hornets nests then run like hell? And you made sure there was at least one kid with you who was a lot slower runner than you?

    Folks, oil is here to stay for quite a while. Question still remains: what to do to prevent it here? Who pays?

    Karl
     
  6. Bob Jones

    Bob Jones Still truckless now farther away

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    Hopefully this thread will get a lot of us thinking if nothinig else I'm totaly unninformed an'd need to change that but this helps me get going and that 's agood start, i hope others feel the same way and that we can get started fxiing the problem. Waiting untill people get envolved because the problems invo'lve their lives before getting involved is waiti'ng too long.
     
  7. Lugan

    Lugan Joe Streamer

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    Actually, given your nearly unreadable syntax, a response to is not required.
     
  8. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    "DryFlyLarry please cite your reference for 1,000,000 deaths the World Health Organization says 56 died directly and estimates another 4,000 will die from the exposure of the 600,000 exposed to high levels of radiation, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster 4th paragraph. Again please cite your reference showing 1,000,000 died from Chernobyl. We do have a common agreement that many people were affected by it and have lower quality of life though and nuclear has a LOT of risk for it's benefits. It is worth noting that France gets around 80% of it's power from nuclear reactors with it's worst incident I've found involving no watering crops or drinking from a river for 2 weeks. The United Soviet Socialist Republic was on it's deathbed as reactor number 4 was being built which probably had an effect on why it happened and was so bad. All in all nuclear power does have a better track record of health and safety for total use compared to other major power sources."

    FE427TP-----Well, here's my reference, but I haven't read it yet. Perhaps you might pick up a copy for your library also. The book challenges the World Health Organizations statistics.

    http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2010/2010-04-26-01.html
     
  9. Kevin J. Burnham

    Kevin J. Burnham Active Member

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    Here ya go !!
     
  10. Daryle Holmstrom

    Daryle Holmstrom retiredfishak

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    Crap, the Earth is still bleeding
     
  11. FE427TP

    FE427TP The Great Sage

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    Wow information from the "Center for Russian Environmental Policy" and the "Institute of Radiation Safety" I'm sure there is no bias from those sources, maybe to maintain the same fair balance we should ask BP how bad their oil slick is next?

    Lets see the main Author is Alexey V. Yablokov (various translations of the spelling show up on Google, but they all trace to the same organizations) a man who is a member of the Center for Russian Environmental Policy and who organized and established Green Russia, I wonder what's in Green Russia's mission statement http://www.rus-green.ru/eng/manif.doc Google can translate it to HTML but look at that, they believe that people should have equal economic rights and social justice. You know Economic justice as in no person should make more money than anyone else. Isn't that nice? Oh look they also want "a new political and economic system that would equitably take into account environmental and social issues and interests at regional, national and global levels." I hope you like our fishing regulations along with pay, social interests and environmental management policies to be set at the global level by a new political system per their mission statement. They directly state they want a total ban on nuclear power, no bias made it into the book though I'm sure. He also signed onto a letter encouraging churches to use their force over their parish to sway their opinion. http://earthrenewal.org/Open_letter_to_the_religious_.htm

    So the main Author is a Socialist who wants power over most facets of our every day lives, encourages pastors to manipulate their congregations, hates nuclear power and wants a total ban of it. I'm going to go ahead and doubt his statistics, my gut tells me the WHO statistics are too low so they probably fall somewhere in the middle of the two camps at either extreme. It's probably also a fairly safe bet that considering the lack of credibility that arises from his association with extremist beliefs that he took any death that could possibly be attributed to radiation and included it whether it actually was or not since his statistics are from everyone that could have been exposed in the entire northern hemisphere.
     
  12. oldskool

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    Uh,.....I think Larry was originally just say'n that things are getting bad. God please forgive us for not taking better care of this beautiful planet.
     
  13. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    There sure seems to be a lot of haste to destroy our planet and a lot of efforts to deny it.... It's always too late when a spill, or in this case, a gusher as Ive puts it, occurs. The only real cure is "prevention", period. There is now going to be a scab on the earth for a very long long time.
     
  14. Griswald

    Griswald a.k.a. Griswald

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    Fred, and FE234 or what ever the fuk your name is...

    Liberal, Republican, Socialist, Capitalist...irrelevent when we will have such a sick planet that nothing will be able to be "cleaned up" enough to prevent a healthy environment to support life.

    It is not a problem humans will be able to blame, buy or bury away.

    We need to evolve or we will get eliminated...that means evolve our thinking, (i.e. our entitlement issues) that means evolve our habits.

    It might not happen in your lifetime (and I know that is all that matters, right?) but it will happen. And then guess what?

    We are all hosed.

    If you can't see that, well, then...nobody can help you.

    :beathead:

    Griswald
    (bring it)
     
  15. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    I'm as dismayed as the next guy to see daily images of a mile-deep pipe puking crude while everyone points fingers at each other. But after reading this thread, I've got two thoughts to offer.

    1. It's tempting to paint BP (or Exxon, or Chevron, etc) as the root cause of this and other oil-related disasters. But the fact is that the real culprit is every one of us who drives a gasoline-powered vehicle, who buys or consumes products that arrive in our markets by trucks, rail or freighters powered by fossil fuel, who heats their home with oil, coal or natural gas, or who expects the lights to come on whenever we flip a switch. The BPs, Exxons and Chevrons of the world would not exist without our insatiable demand.

    2. It's likewise easy to bash the oil companies for their huge profits. However, each of those companies is publicly traded - owned by shareholders who regard those very profits as a primary reason they bought the stock in the first place. Profits that aren't plowed back into operations and exploration are returned to the shareholders as dividends or in the form of an increased share price. As a small investor myself I've never met anyone who wants the company they've bought shares in to generate 'smaller' profits. The bigger the profit, the higher the return on investment. Remember Gordon "Greed is good" Gekko? Now look around.

    The next time you read, see or hear another news story about the Gulf oil disaster, just remember that we all play a part in the problem and we each deserve a share of the blame.

    K