The merits (or lack thereof) for a wild steelhead retention tag

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by sleestak240, Dec 30, 2013.

  1. Rob Allen

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    It's Washington state government it's not gonna be easy
    The money would go into the general fund
    People who want to bonk and fish are going to do it legal or not
    we need to start thinking of fishing for wild steelhead as a privilege so valuable that you wouldn't want to kill one..

    change your mindset to think beyond your punchcard of do not fish for salmon and steelhead. I am all for cramming catch and release down the throats of all salmon and steelhead fishermen whether they like it or not. Humans ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS over harvest and always will. We have had the anti wild fish agenda crammed down our throats since white men first got here. I am all for some payback on this issue.
    maybe that makes me a jerk but i am happy to be one in this case.
     
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  2. Alexander

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    Maybe see a different system altogether other than netting. (I know this would cost too much money). But it would be cool if they had ways to divert the fish into a shiloh/holding area so they could separate the keepers from non keepers and the non keepers would be released to continue their mission, thus doing away with all netting practices and substituting with diversion dams/gates.

    Anyhow this would probably take care of much of the unchecked/unintentional wild Steelhead killing wouldn't it?

    Where is the bigger wild Steelhead killing impact? By way of netting or the individual fisherman?

    Even if my idea is out of whack I think that new improved harvesting methods aimed at non-target fish release (whatever the method may be) would probably show better wild steelhead impact results then dealing with the individual fisherman.
     
  3. KerryS

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    They are called fish traps and were used a lot in Western Washington before being outlawed. There are many that think fish traps should be brought back for the reasons you have stated.

    http://www.informationliberation.com/files/salmon-trap1-630x558.jpg
     
  4. Jeremy Floyd

    Jeremy Floyd fly fishing my way through life

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    I would be interested in seeing the numbers on what something like this would actually cost for a feasibility study, and then enact. I am guessing you would be looking at a couple hundred dollars minimum to try and harvest one. Half of the proceeds would be going to the state, and the other half to the tribes.

    I think they should have a special season too if you pay for the tag/draw.. Make it easier to enforce by having only the tag holders on the rivers..
     
  5. sleestak240

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    Interesting idea...but I think that would create the situation that Freestone was talking about. Creating a day(s) where only tag holders are allowed to fish would really add to the "mystique" of it I think. The result would be a sort of "African big game hunt" feel where people that might otherwise not be interested would engage in the activity solely because of the exclusivity of it.
     
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    I think this would be a hard sell to WDFW. First of all, WDFW thinks steelhead management is just about perfect the way it is, except for the low, one-fish wild steelhead limit on the OP. WDFW doesn't want fewer wild steelhead killed per year. They want every wild steelhead over and above the designated spawning escapement goal to be caught and harvested. Killed. Othewise a dangerous over-escapement will occur, causing wastage.

    Charging a special fee to kill a wild steelhead doesn't brighten WDFW's day unless the Legislature directs the proceeds into the state wildlife account instead of the General Fund. I think WDFW will remain philosophically opposed to the idea even if it were a fiscal plus for them.

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  7. Stonefish

    Stonefish Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater

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    English Pete might be interested in a tag or two.
     
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  8. sleestak240

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    Agreed about the difficulty of getting it through the powers that be. It's definitely a restriction on opportunity, albeit a compromise.

    As far as the WDFW is concerned, I generally agree with your analysis. Anything that survives beyond the minimum goal is an inefficiency in their minds.

    So, the process going into 2014 seems to be business as usual - harvest until the systems don't make escapement anymore, let the feds list Olympic Peninsula steelhead as endangered and then close the fisheries down once they reach a barely sustainable level?
     
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    That reminds me of the photo of his signed glory shot I saw earlier this year:
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    Maybe if he needed a retention tag that he didn't have, he wouldn't have been able to kill this one under the guise of "bleeding from the gills"?
     
  10. ambassadeur10000

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    So someone with $$$ is entitled to kill a wild steelhead because it is their privilege? I would think it is a right, being a citizen if anything. Education about steelhead is important for the future of the sport, but more government regulation is not an answer. The government fails at everything it does
     
  11. Jeremy Floyd

    Jeremy Floyd fly fishing my way through life

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    SG, others..

    I don't think it would be a hard sell if, in the end the fish were impacted less by making it an exchange for harvest methods, and there was profitability.

    Financially speaking give up 200 licenses for $400-500 a pop, and a non refundable (carried over for those not drawn) $150+licensing fees or so for anyone putting into the draw. It would be an easy sell as long as there was enough money to grease the politico and tribes wheels..

    With that scenario and 5000 people entering the draw, there would be $8000-10000 in tags, and $720000 in application revenue. If half of the anglers were successful, that would cost the people of WA 100 fish. If that revenue was split 50/50 with the tribes I am pretty sure that trumps the money they currently bring in through harvest.

    People just need to see the value of the fish as more than simply caloric..
     
  12. golfman44

    golfman44 4-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year

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    I think you are being quite unrealistic in thinking 5,000 people would drop $150 at a chance to spend $500 more just for a chance to catch and kill a wild steelhead.
     
  13. Jeremy Floyd

    Jeremy Floyd fly fishing my way through life

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    What if it got you the opportunity to fish from April thru May?
     
  14. Jeremy Floyd

    Jeremy Floyd fly fishing my way through life

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    That would only be $350 more, if you were successfully drawn, and would give you an extra couple months of fishing.
     
  15. golfman44

    golfman44 4-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year

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    Yea I'm not paying money for the right to Bonk a native. I'd be much more content trout fishing for free
     
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