Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Salmo_g, Dec 9, 2017.
That’s what I was going to say
Here is a somewhat relevant document. It has to do with the operation of fisheries and their impacts on listed species
warning it's a 90 page PDF
Evaluation of recreational steelhead catch on the South Toutle and Washougal rivers.
Brian, lots to digest and debate in your comments, but if we happen to cross paths on the river I'll happily show you my gear bag. You'll find just as many WFO worms and 50-50 spoons as spey flies.
Other than a certain Duvall-based litigation factory, Washington's wild fish conservation orgs are far from fly purists. I agree we need to do a much better job of rebuilding our base and presenting an inclusive and collaborative brand. Did you catch Wild Steelhead Coalition's Steelhead Country campaign and video series? It was one small step towards doing so.
Sg, I do appreciate your reply and it does shed some light on a topic I have never fully understood which is how do you project a spawning escapement for rivers like the Sauk or Skagit. Where do the numbers come from? When you hear 9,000 fish returned and you wonder just how accurate that estimate is. It could be higher or lower. The word assumption isnt an easy one for me to get my head around in reguards to data but I also understand its not perfect science when it comes to a species that spends the majority of its time swimming in the pacific ocean.
Chase, I did not check out the Steelhead Country campaign. I will definetly give it a look. My issue is and will always be the short sided approach of user groups wanting it there way or nothing. There is no place in the world today for that ideology or thought process. It doesnt work especially when it comes to a particular species and our assumed best method of protecting it. Strength is in getting all user groups involved and having a stake in the proposed fishing seasons.
Clearly you will agree that keeping the rivers closed is a really bad choice when it comes to steelhead management? You get that with out eyes on the river its pretty much the fucking wild west out there? Did you fish these rivers when the catch and release season existed?
If you did then we would not be having this conversation. We possibly might be having a beer around a camp fire at Howard Miller park. Hopefully that will happen. I appreciate your response and I will always keep an open mind.
Well tomorrow's the 15th what's the word on the street?
My kids and I picnicked on the Sauk on Sunday and I have to say I’ve been wondering the same thing. Wishfully wondering.
On my street all you hear are crickets.
Fat lady lost her voice?
End of the week, you Betcha’.
I was not notified before this was released, even though my name is on the page.
“Conclusion A proposal to conduct directed harvest of an ESA-listed Puget Sound steelhead population, whether lethal tribal or recreational catch and release (C&S), is undeniably controversial.“
To conflate a directed lethal harvest with catch and release is undeniably controversial.
and... I thought C&S was a sugar company.
Do they have any clue as to what happens during the king/sockeye season? Or the current ceremonial fishery?
Talk about clueless.
During the recent training of the techs that will be on the river, many poachers have been spotted and ticketed.
This is like a Raymond Carver sentence. It is laden with information and meaning. While I’m happy that techs are being trained, I’m disappointed to hear of “many poachers.” Thanks for the update.