Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by papafsh, Sep 17, 2008.
Well said Rich:thumb:
Sorry Rich, but I'm calling bullshit on you for this..I've found the exact opposite to be true..anytime you question a democrat they label you as a redneck and scream for your censorship....That all said, lets get something straight...This is NOT the republican party..That party was destroyed by harboring the religious right and getting away from what true republicans were all about..Which IMHO was less government pandering, balanced budgets and making us a strong and vital country...
I liked McCain 8 years ago and would have strongly supported him against Bush...Chenney has done more to destroy this country then ANY politician I can remember...He was on Nixon's staff and hated the fact the president wasn't given total powers. He's done away with our right to Hiatus Corpus (I'm killing that spelling but i'm pissed and not going to look it up)...Yes your right to council and a speedy trial was tossed away by pushing through a fear mongering bill... He Ok'd torture for the first time in U.S. history and has left a huge stain on our reputation on the worlds stage..He's pushed all his ex companies to the for front on our natural disasters for pure profit without care for the American public..I could go on and on....but for the first time in my voting history i'm voting democrat..Not because I feel they are going to do anything better for our economy etc. but because we have to do something to get these idiots out of office before they totally destroy us...in the name of their own relentless greed and perversion!!!!
My .02 from a ten year military veteran and small business owner...
Odd thing, I don't see any inconsistency between your post and Rich's (Fishful Thinking).
Salmo g. (possibly a "hater")
Papa-I'm merely judging the man by his actions, if you'd rather ignore much of what he has or hasn't done and base your assesment off of what you percieve to be similar values that's fine.
no way man. you're not a hater. I wouldn't go bird hunting with the guy either. :rofl:
I don't know single Democrat out of hundreds that would do this golfman. Seriously, if you think you can generalize we Democrats like this and be even close to correct than this country is completely and utterly screwed.
The only liberals stupid enough to generalize that much about Republicans are on a college campus and smoke reefer for breakfast and those punks should def. grow up. I think Obama would tell you the same.
I see it on both sides.
Both Bush and and Cheney are fisherman. So I guess they haven't done wonderful things like dewater the klamath causing a massive fish kill or try to list hatchery salmon as wild salmon so they can not be covered by the endangered species act. Or support mining activity and forest clear cutting that harms our streams.
Then there was midcurrent's link calling Cheney the biggest asshole of flyfisherman for using 3 blackhawk helicopters to flyfish in Idaho, flying right over the river spooking the fish.
You prove my point Jason, you missed the whole reason for the reply...does your generation ever read past the first line or scratch under the surface of anything??? Do you get all your bible from CNN, I honestly don't think you guys got a fucking clue about what's been happening to you the last four years? Unbelievable!!!
Hey man. I am not the one generalizing. I am just trying to make the point that you can't do that and be right. It isn't possible. Democrats and Republicans are real people with real diversity amongst them.
I agree with many Republicans I know and I disagree with many Democrats I know but I identify myself as a Democrat for my own reasons yet I have voted for Republicans in the past because I vote for the most qualified person most of the time unless they harbor some weird agenda I can't be on board with.
I wasn't trying to piss you off or insult you and I can see how you would take what I said as aimed at you but it wasn't. I just had to say that I have many friends who are Democrats and I have never heard them call all Republicans "rednecks" and if I did I would call them out on it for being stupid and I would do the same to my Republicans friends.
And again, if you are really scared of "my generation", you just have to ignore college campus'. Those kids will grow up eventually and get a job et cetera and end up seeing a different world. I used to be one of them.
Sorry dude, I really don't think there is anything wrong with what you said other than that all Democrats think Republicans are "rednecks" and are for censorship, that is just flat wrong in my experience.
I totally agree with the rest of your post.
I really f*ucking hate all the name calling and stereotyping in politics no matter who says it. There is a serious problem in this country with people not being able to see the diversity and humanity, just the stereotypes and colors.
What do you mean about the last 4 years? I have no clue what you are talking about. If you said the last 8 years I would know but the last for?
Golfman, aside from your first line, I agree with you 100%. I think you've really hit the nail on the head, and far better than I could have. Thank you for your well-considered response. It's time for REAL patriots to stand up and take this country back from the back-room dealers and the bastids who think of big business first and our citizens second. It's clear you and I are on the same page. I'm just sick of being called a "hater" 'cause I believe the government exists to serve me WITHOUT a religious agenda, etc. I want a president who can think and act for himself, not just a puppet with Cheney/Rove's hand up his ass, doing the talking.
Good one Rich. iagree
Exactly...Look for a show on (Of all people) larry flint .. You'd be amazed...Some of the shit he brought up, did to the parties, went to court for etc. are truely amazing..I never thought I'd have any respect for a porn dealer...but it's pretty hilarious...
I missed allot of this, I never knew the rescue of the little blondie by our troops was all staged..I never knew she testified to that in front of congress and none of the news channels carried it... He's also right in one regard, News is no longer about the trueth or what is right or wrong...It's about entertainment and the bottom line!!!
I have to sit back though and drink less coffee in the morning before reading these..I should know better as I've dropped one kid off at his campus last year and have two more to go...Forgot what is was like to be young and have only one...errr two things on my mind!!!:ray1: Will try not to flame anymore on these subjects...i'm here for the fishing..
Is the Jig Up ?
And: How's the fly fishing in Dubai ?