NFR The Tokin' Fly Guy

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by bloodmeridian, Apr 7, 2012.

  1. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Don't be surprised if half the guys on this forum had a toke before Easter Dinner today/tonight.
     
  2. Nick Clayton

    Nick Clayton Active Member

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    I understand completely being against driving under the influence of any mind altering substance, but that's not the real topic here.

    If you're so against this stuff taking place in the public fishing arenas then why haven't you weighed in on any of the multiple "What Scotch do you prefer while fishing" threads? If Someone bobbing in a boat tokin a j is being irresponsible and putting others in danger then the guy next to him hitting a flask is just as irresponsible. Or are we simply hung up on legality?
     
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  3. Krusty

    Krusty Krusty Old Effer

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    Jeez...can't we all just get along?
     
  4. Joe Goodfellow

    Joe Goodfellow Active Member

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    our creator gave it to use to relax .the only reason its illegal is because the rich people realized they could make money off it. if people woke up and stopped crimalizing our creators gifts this world would be a lot better off. I'm tired of people taking advantage of our mother earth. tear the dams down restore what our people have done. Look what happened to Japan they raped the ocean and our mother earth repaid them for it. We as a people should fight agaist all these bad things. Tear the dams down stop cutting our forests down these are the things we should be worrying about. Restore Hetch Hetchy!!!!
     
  5. Rob Allen

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    Yes of course we can all get along. I get along well with nearly everyone. is there some unwritten law that says you have to not get along with people you disagree with?
     
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  6. Nick Clayton

    Nick Clayton Active Member

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    Very much agreed Rob. While I completely disagree with your opinion it is just that, disagreement. I wouldn't think twice about fishing with you or sharing a fly or whatever. I enjoy a good discussion even if I don't agree with those involved




     
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    I think you're missing part of the whole experience if you need to get tuned up while on the water.Also you really should have all your wits about you when dealing with boats & water.
     
  8. Nick Clayton

    Nick Clayton Active Member

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    Are you really that concerned about the way someone enjoys there outdoor experience? Why is it up to you to determine what it takes to properly enjoy a day on the water?

     
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    Actually I couldn't careless.If you wish to up your risk of drowning or losing gear go for it.
     
  10. Nick Clayton

    Nick Clayton Active Member

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    And naturally you say the same to every flask toting fisherman you encounter.
     
  11. lylelovett666

    lylelovett666 Active Member

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    Drinking on the water is just plain stupid and much more dangerous.Not my bidness though so I wouldn't say anything.Never come across either.
     
  12. wadin' boot

    wadin' boot Donny, you're out of your element...

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    Alcohol kills more folks than weed. Heavy use of both screws up long term memory and ambition. There are huge social costs to both- for alcohol it's national for weed it's international. Many weed users have little to no understanding of the international cost of their preferred drug and have a view that it is a justifiable cost in some weird way I can't quite figure out but think it has something to do with a kind of hyper-local effect of the drug itself. Meaning MJ helps enable further self absorption and incuriosity in a mild and nonthreatening way with little obvious consequence to the user...

    That effect may be part of the reason that the national cost of weed, in terms of crime in the USA, may actually be a good thing. USA per capita crime rate 2010 = 3345.5/100000 people. The last time it was that low was somewhere between 1967 = 2989.7/100,000 and 1968 = 3370.2/100,000

    (source http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm)

    The illegal drug of choice in the USA, in 1967, I think, was weed. (Larry? the statement is correct right?)

    By 1968 race riots among other things altered crime statistics that would then go on to peak at 5897/100,000 in 1991- high times for crack, HIV, heroin and coincides with the beginning of crystal meth...In pop culture weed has been glorified, whereas the use of other drugs like heroin, cocaine and crystal meth are not. This may seem counterintuitive but I give lots of credit to Snoop Dog for his perhaps unintentional role in lowering crime...

    I had always assumed that economic stress leads to a heightened crime rate- but 2008-2010, the heart of this recession, does not bear that out...some other factors must be playing a major role.

    Weed has become ubiquitous, particularly with medical marijuana laws. Crime has dropped. Ambitions across the board have been blunted. Ambition to do stupid things (crime) just as much as bold and imaginative things- for instance driver's license issuances have dropped as have fishing licenses. Admittedly maybe all of these factors have to do with a myriad of other influences DEA actions, internet preoccupations, ubiquity of porn, incarceration rates, ritalin use for correctly diagnosed and treated ADD sufferers, use of prescription medications, the advent and maturing of child psychiatry, three strikes rules, insight based and cognitive therapies, men and women leaving marriages that were rotten and broken and miserable despite the (bad) advice of their communities, Dr Phil, better educated women, Roe V Wade and the 1973 legalization of abortion...

    So if you simplify this already and admittedly super simplistic argument out, the ubiquitous availability of weed, given I don't use it, makes it easier for me to do interesting work, fish with fewer co-fishermen, compete in traffic with fewer folks driving to the fishing spot of my choice and take fewer chances of getting into some kind of criminal situation.

    If I had to drag (sic) along a weed smoker or an alcoholic to go fishing, i'd take the weed smoker any day. They are way more predictable, they enjoy food and at least their jokes are funny.

    Legalize weed. But for the sweet love of all that is good, fight the cocaine, heroin and amphetamine scourge. Things that if you OD can kill or if you use a couple of times can stroke your brain out or are our creator's gifts too, I just don't see the good side there
     
  13. Krusty

    Krusty Krusty Old Effer

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    Actually...I was referring to 'getting along' on the WFFF...this doesn't have a hell of lot to do with flyfishing....it's just a 'hot-button' issue that trolls like to inject to start arguments. I suspect if we were all trotting out every core belief we held on the forum, there wouldn't be a much of anybody 'getting along'. This was just trolling, and you all got suckered into taking a big strike at this guy's 'banger gear'.
     
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    Wadin boot for president
     
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    So you are asking someone to ignore something illegal that goes on in public? What if he is on the river with his kid and doesn't want him seeing that stuff?

    I dont care if you smoke nicotine, weed, or cock, just do it at home where I dont have to see it.
     
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