oh i know. i dont pack a gun. imo the likelyness of ever needing one when in the field weather it be from animal or person is very slim. you have a better chance of breaking a world record for w/e fish you are targeting. BUT imo if you are gonna pack a gun for defense you better hope to god it can get the job done on w/e you are carrying it as defense for. places like bluecreek, hoodsport,sky,etc etc when 90% of the things you will need to defend yourself against is people there is no need for a big gun. places like the upper reaches of northwest rivers, like green, sky, snoqualmie forks, etc etc where encounters with big game animals THAT could attack you need to carry a gun that will get the job done. a 45acp even though it is a 45cal will not get the job done in most cases (very wimpy round) i see alot of people who carry 9mm or 40cal even 38sp and think they are protected well when in the field against bears and other big game animals that may threaten their livelyhood. IMO that is very disrespectfull to the animal which "MIGHT" attack.