Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by HauntedByWaters, Apr 10, 2008.
there you go.
Not so fast there Buehler. Times have changed and now ALL of us can play Rock Band!
:rofl::rofl::rofl: Spot on! :thumb:
I don't know a damn thing about Jason B's story. I just thought I'd add some information about federal agents. Most fish and wildlife enforcement in this state is performed by state WDFW agents. However, the US Fish and Wildlife Service has about a half dozen federal special agents in WA state, and NMFS has several (I don't know how many) federal fisheries agents in WA state as well.
It's not likely that any federal agent is working the Nooksack full time. If one is working up there, it's more likely to be part of an emphasis patrol in response to repeated tips about illegal fishing. As to why a federal agent would be involved, it's the same as when NMFS agents arrested the chinook poacher on the Skagit a few years ago. It was a guy who repeatedly flaunted the regulations intended to protect ESA listed chinook. The guy had five wild chinook, so they made an example of him, seized his fishing gear, truck, boat, trailer, the works, and fined him nearly $5,000. While it doesn't happen often, the upshot is that it can and does happen.
I think the federal agents mostly work ESA cases along with marine mammal act violations. And they do wear bullet proof vests. The reason? Game warden and fish and wildlife enforcement is the most dangerous branch of law enforcement is what I read. They always encounter people with loaded firearms.
The story does sound sketchy. Not that the guy got caught, but some federal agent showed up loaded-for-bear? Couldn't the agent get away with a club.
Sloan, the agents don't carry clubs. They carry 9 mm Berettas or S&Ws.
I knew CH and he did flaunt it to the extreme, he lives in Idaho now, the other poacher DZ never did get caught and is now deceased. They both had the Kings dialed in when they were legal before the nets.
How about the part regarding indian poachers. Seems like these agents wouldn't be able to do squat - can they really go bust these guys on tribal land as was noted earlier in JB's second story?
Yes, federal agents can bust treaty Indians who violate the ESA and other federal laws. Examples have included Lummi Indians who killed bald eagles and claimed treaty and traditional practices, but the law is clear that they are supposed to get their eagle parts from the supply maintained by the US Fish & Wildlife Service from dead birds found and turned in, etc. Killing ESA salmon outside the restrictions imposed and allowances permitted by the section 10 fishery agreements are also enforceable actions. Remember that there is a certain amount of allowable take of most listed salmon under the ESA.
Tribal land and reservations are federal land held in trust by the US government for Indians and tribes.
I was under the impression that it is the other way around. The state officials can't really do squat but the federal ones can.
As for the big foot in those pics, I have seen one of those walking the beach on a remote portion of a WA coast beach. It was about 8 miles N. of Cape Alava, 2 miles past the mouth of the Ozette River. It was about a mile down the beach from us walking on all fours, clear day and I had binoculars. I remember thinking how that is the absolute slenderest skinniest black bear I had ever seen or heard of and how it could be easily mistook for a primate. It was spooky the way it walked and stood up on its feet to look around. We joked about it being a primate for several days after that and wish we took pictures. It has got to be a skinny slender black bear .....right? It looked just like in those pictures.
I have heard that a bear, skinned and stripped of its fats looks startlingly like a human. Maybe these primate sightings are just skinny as hell bears?
I am awed by the way some of you belittle and berate folks who post here. Does not seem to matter what they post, there are a few that just cannot wait to flame and discredit. I started Fly Fishing because to the level of character that fly fishermen seemed to have. I wonder, do you treat the fish you catch the same harsh way you treat some of the folks who post here? FFS lighten up for a change. Maybe his story is true, maybe not. Either way it is not beyond possibility of fact.
Everyone will argue sometime, and everyone is guilty.
Some more than others :thumb:
Jason, A fine usually doesn't deter a determined poacher. You're putting yourself at risk every time you go fishing with this guy. He'll get caught doing something horribly illegal and you'll be scrutinized ever so closely. If your barbs aren't smashed down enough or you left your license in the car you're getting popped as well. It's called "guilty by association". Help yourself and your friend. Let him know if he doesn't clean up his act that you'll be looking for another partner.
A poacher and a drunk driver? You'd do well to leave this guy alone.
I dont know if this story is true but what I do know is that Yes there are cameras being used at spots to catch people doing things they shouldnt be If anyone is from the O.P. and ever gone up to Johnson creek area I know for a fact they are using a Very small video camera to catch people driving up the road and dumping garbage!! and its working!! so I wouldnt think it was to farfetched for fish and game to have a few cameras around. this particular story does sound bogus though!
I'm not sure how bad a poaching problem you all have out there but the fact that the poster had known this guy was actively poaching and did nothing about it, makes the poster IMO just as bad as the poacher himself!
I would have no problem turning in a friend if he poached...I don't need friends like that. Matter of fact, this past year I had a friend who I took deer hunting on a ranch I have permission on. He shot the deer, hung it in the garage and left it rot because he was to lazy to butcher it up. Needless to say, we are no longer friends.
I think you need to re-evaluate the friends you keep and what you really value in life.