Thoughts on killing the record steelhead, fallout and ruminations:

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Zen Piscator, Mar 9, 2009.

  1. Flyborg

    Flyborg Active Member

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    Doing so just insures that it happens again, as we've already pointed out. The next time someone has this happen, I want them to think seriously about all the "E-Thugs" who said nasty things online as they look around at the other anglers, and seriously regard whether keeping that fish is worth it. I also want our politicians to see the amount of contention this single event has caused so the next time conservation lobbies have a "win", the mayor of a fucking town of 3000 people doesn't completely ruin that win and burn our notion of representative democracy.

    Not at the moment. No, not really.
     
  2. Andrew Kirkland

    Andrew Kirkland cuttlover

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  3. patrick barta

    patrick barta Love'em - N - Leave'em

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    Thats fine "flyborg." If you're that concerned, then get involved with politics, that is the only way to affect change. Sitting on the sidelines spending your time on this board will get nothing done.

    And... by the way, why don't people here have there real names listed and not some silly handle. Maybe then there would be some sort of accountability. I think our astute web master suggested that some time ago.
     
  4. ak_powder_monkey

    ak_powder_monkey Proud to Be Alaskan

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    Man there are much bigger problems facing our wild steelhead than wether a world record fish was released or not.

    Would this sites angry lynch mob go hunt down a bear or otter or orca for killing a fish like that? its obvious to me that the Hoh is an extremely productive river as it can sustain harvest of wild fish, not many steelhead streams in the country can boast that, our collective energy needs to be keeping the Hoh as productive as it is by protecting the habitat, and if a world record fish coming from it convinces others that it is a place worth protecting then maybe the death of that particular fish isn't so bad.
     
  5. Flyborg

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    I lend my voice and money to several conservation and water rights issues. However, playing the politics game isn't the only necessary solution; as I pointed out, representational democracy is extremely flimsy when a mayor speaking for 3,000 people can overturn the voice of multitudes more. As you said, sitting on the sidelines does nothing. This board is the #1 fly fishing board on the internet, however, so I'd hardly say that spending time here arguing important issues gets "nothing done". It's a community, and a community with a significant reach; sitting on the sidelines here telling people to STFU is what gets nothing done.
     
  6. Flyborg

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    That's a sad little lie propagated by the WDFW.
     
  7. Be Jofus G

    Be Jofus G Banned or Parked

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    Because there are sick basterds out there who take this stuff way too seriously that show up on peoples doorsteps and start shooting. It's not worth it unless you are here pimping your products or services. You may say something that is relativly innocent by nature, and if one of the millions of people who access this "globally" facing website turns out to be a wackjob that takes what you said the wrong way... well you only have yourself to blame when he skins you and wears you like a coat. Call me paranoid or the like, but... :beer2: You are not sitting at a bar with a couple dozen people shooting the sheit. You are talking in front of any asshat on the planet with an internet connection. :thumb:
     
  8. Dan Soltau

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    lets just say that the fish was actually gill hooked and was deemed to be dead shortly after release. Pretty much any one here is going to keep a fish that is bleeding from the gills, but I think it is the bigger picture that isnt even being brought up hardly at all. This man, fish a two handed rod just like most people here do, successfully hooked a giant wild steelhead and landed it.
    Another dream of everyone here. Except he hooked it in a sensitive place in a certain way that will happen eventually if you hook enough fish. And the fish is now dead, whether because he was hooked in the gills or the angler bonked it. The point is, that fish would have reproduced and created potentially more giant steelhead if that fisherman wasnt fishing at all.
    If the number of wild steelhead is so low that an internet hate-a-thon has exploded, then they should not be fished for in questioned waters. Simple as that, and when the populations rebound everyone will be there to angle for them. Which if that was to happen, would be one of the greatest conservation-sportsman successes if not the greatest.
    We all know how genetically superior wild steel are, and how they are some of natures finest and most pure specimens.
    So why not give them 10 years to see what a small, depressed run of native steelhead can do when they are unpressured totally. I believe they are fully capable of rebuilding their popluations but not when there are gill nets greeting them. Then if they get by those they have to resist beautiful, bright colored, fluffy flies and jigs. there is some serious action to be taken here both by the anglers on the rivers as well as the current regs being adjusted.
    The other problem is hatchery fish, they need to be removed and that is where anglers can help and most already are. It seems some type of regulation where hatchery fish must be taken whether or not that was the intention. That paired with closures in places where runs are least stable during prime spawning months, and setting the bar with the "if wild fish are caught, they must remain in water at all times and released promtly."
    A big thing would be to go barbless, as that can really make a difference in fish that get hooked in the tongue or other sensitive areas.
    The amount of internet press for this fish is impressive, and it is simply overwhelming unless you sit at a computer all day. If you look at it like Jerry Jones, any press is good press.
    on that note, all anadromous fish are hurting, and they are the number one trace element distributer in the world. Meaning they are liely responsible for many of the beings and animals on dry land. losing them could in way be good, and that seems like that could throw off some serious shit in the longrun.
     
  9. CoastalCutt

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    This is a fucking joke. Zen, beat the dead horse until it shits digested hay all over you. Worse yet, make a shitty essay about it. Why doesn't everyone bitch at the guys who take numerous wild steelies from OP streams every year without writing them in on their cards? Because as much as everyone likes to pretend it doesn't happen, it does. While the guy has some serious ethics issues, it still doesn't bring that or ANY wild fish back by publicly bitching at how much of an ass he is in a poetic manner. Why does this case get so much attention? It was a buck steelhead, think about how much worse it would have been if it were a hen over twenty pounds. That would have been astronomically worse for the run. There's still plenty of steelhead jizz in the Hoh.
     
  10. Chris Bellows

    Chris Bellows Your Preferred WFF Poster

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    i may not be the only one missing the whole reading comprehension thing. i do not want people to be less passionate about wild fish, but put their efforts into things that will actually help, and not hurt those who work hard to get the rules changed. i have spent a lot of hours in front of the commission, wdfw, state senate and have a tiny idea about how people react to threats and irrational behavior... however right it might seem to those worked up.

    as for what i do in colorado, it sounds like about the same as you.

    as for the violence, i understand being upset... but will threatening violence really make a difference? no, it never does. we need to stick to the facts, because that is where our case is strong and we will win on the facts. these juvenile threats of beat-downs, drownings etc. are COUNTER PRODUCTIVE. get it, it's not about telling people to "stfu" about wild steelhead release, it's about telling them to "stfu" when threatening violence and death of a human for the legal harvest of a fish... and stick to the facts and science behind wild fish restoration. it's a better argument and won't make people who might be on our side recoil from the juvenile, petty, and lame threats of killing a man.

    and i was giving you the benefit of the doubt, and i missed this gem:
    yeh, this is the tone i want in the fishing community.... FEAR. fear that someone on a bulletin board on the internet might possibly see you harvest a wild fish and come and threaten your life. seriously, you want the riverbanks to have that attitude?
     
  11. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm sitting on the crapper...and reading this. When I'm done I'm going to flush them both away and hope when I open my eyes that there will be something less abrasive to read. Three threads and some 350+ posts later it still smolders hot as hell. Plop...time to...
     
  12. Buck

    Buck "Ride'n Dirty."

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  13. rainbow

    rainbow My name is Mark Oberg

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    If the only thing this comes from this heated debate is A little more awareness. Then I think that its all good. I think it will get the point across to the majority of the steely hunters. And save a few lives.
     
  14. Buck

    Buck "Ride'n Dirty."

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    I agree, it did bring about awareness. But for me, it also brought to my attention the lengths people are willing to go to blast a guy who was following the law. What a chicken shit thing to do, slam a guy who caught a fish. Really, contact someone who can make a difference. Don't give 25 bucks to a conservation group and call yourself a conservationist. Fuck, anyone could do that. Makes me wonder how perfect these people have been in there own lives, regarding fishing. Or even in other areas of their life? I highly doubt they are the saints they think they are. Let's just keep it real. We are all imperfect, period. The guy did what he thought was right. Where I sit remains the same, if I catch a fish and it's legal (and I want to keep it), then I will. No doubt I realize now, that there is always someone that's going to argue that. Oh well.
    BTW, I once, coming up from Cali., caught a hatchery fish, and let it go! HA!~
    Cheers,
    Frank.
    And Zen, I got no beef with Chew. I respectfully see you started this thread to bring up the issue again, good job.
     
  15. SpeySpaz

    SpeySpaz still an authority on nothing

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    you crusty old fart,:rofl: you!


    I can't believe I read the whole thing!