Thoughts on Winchester 1300 20 ga. pump?

#16
A lot of that has to do with the fact that the 1300 was discontinued, and it has become the darling of the Zombie Gun/Tactical shotgun fans, because :

A: You can't buy a new one, and

B: It truly is one of the smoother and faster cycling guns on the market.

As I said in my post, I do think they are a good gun. I just don't value things based on market value. Look at the aftermarket parts and accessories, different barrels available, etc. for 870s, Mossbergs, even Benellis. I like having a gun I can throw a trap barrel with choke tubes on, then a 24 inch field barrel, a slug barrel, and maybe a 18.5 inch shorty for camping/boat. And with a Mossberg those barrels are about half the price or less than a remington barrel.

You want a fast upland bird gun, go for it. As others have stated, it'll do the job and you certainly aren't getting ripped off. I like multi-taskers. A used benelli Nova, or Mossberg will go for about the same.

And in my mind the only reason to shoot a 20 at a duck, let alone a goose, is because it's the only gun you own.
hopefully I am not dissuading a potential wingmaster sale for the sake of argument; but after factoring in all the complications philster mentioned the gun is not a beater and it only costs $200! its hard to walk away from deals like that even if you don't subscribe to market value.
that being said; $300 for a used wingmaster is one hell of a good deal too. I would buy both.

as far as waterfowl goes I am a heavy gauge fan through and through, I am even trying a ten gauge this year - mainly because i am looking for a shorter shot string, more pellets and a square load. however with the advent of non toxic heavy shots there is absolutely no reason not to take on waterfowl with a twenty gauge. I wouldn't use it for pass shooting but as I stated above, for decoying birds it would fit the bill quite nicely. you might have to let a few go by with out shooting, but like fly fishing thats where a blood sport becomes art.

Upton- i couldn't agree with you more. just because I prefer the larger gauges doesn't mean I can deny the effectiveness of a twenty in skilled hands.
 

Philster

Active Member
#17
hopefully I am not dissuading a potential wingmaster sale for the sake of argument; but after factoring in all the complications philster mentioned the gun is not a beater and it only costs $200! its hard to walk away from deals like that even if you don't subscribe to market value.
that being said; $300 for a used wingmaster is one hell of a good deal too. I would buy both.
I actually wasn't trying to sell my wingmaster. You'll note that the guns I really pushed were a Benelli and a Mossberg for the ability to get reasonably priced aftermarket and OEM parts and barrels. I also have no intention of pushing the OP off of a 20 gauge if that's what he wants, and my WM is a 12, which I'm not keen on shipping (never done it... Seems complicated). I just react negatively when someone suggests a 20 gauge as a goose gun. I just cant help it :ray1:

I'll stick to my bigger guns on Waterfowl. We've all been there (at least I have in California). A day or two goes by with nothing but high flyers. With an hour left one glides in. He's out of reliable 20 range. Most would take the shot anyway after 2 days. After the first half of the first day, my Mossberg 12 (overbored to 10 gauge, really throws tight patterns) would have already been loaded with 3 inch Flite Controls and I'd have already screwd in the full choke. After Patterning with Buck at 50 yds with those flite controls, I'd be comfortable reaching out, and knowing that I'd either get a quick kill, or a clean miss from the tight patterning.
 
#18
I actually wasn't trying to sell my wingmaster. You'll note that the guns I really pushed were a Benelli and a Mossberg for the ability to get reasonably priced aftermarket and OEM parts and barrels. I also have no intention of pushing the OP off of a 20 gauge if that's what he wants, and my WM is a 12, which I'm not keen on shipping (never done it... Seems complicated). I just react negatively when someone suggests a 20 gauge as a goose gun. I just cant help it :ray1:

I'll stick to my bigger guns on Waterfowl. We've all been there (at least I have in California). A day or two goes by with nothing but high flyers. With an hour left one glides in. He's out of reliable 20 range. Most would take the shot anyway after 2 days. After the first half of the first day, my Mossberg 12 (overbored to 10 gauge, really throws tight patterns) would have already been loaded with 3 inch Flite Controls and I'd have already screwd in the full choke. After Patterning with Buck at 50 yds with those flite controls, I'd be comfortable reaching out, and knowing that I'd either get a quick kill, or a clean miss from the tight patterning.
philster, I was commenting on the OP's interest in your gun rather than your interest in selling your wingmaster.

calling any twenty gauge/load combo a bona fide exclusive "goose gun" - as YOU put it- is too far a reach even for me. however for shooting geese OVER DECOYS it is more than enough especially if your shooting 3" loads, I thought I made that clear in my other two posts?

if I had nothing but high flyers for two days straight while using a twenty gauge I would resign my self to only shooting within my chosen handicap - kinda like when one leaves the gear rod at home and brings the fly rod- just because you have decoys out and the birds are above them doesn't mean they are in range.

or

I would take a serious look at my spread and see what the problem was...

or

move to a new location...

or

if I was honest enough with myself to know that my goose calling sucked, I have a crappy decoy spread -in a poor location, and that I was a marginal shot and didn't have the self restraint not to sky bust with a 20gauge .... I would leave the twenty at home and bring the 3.5" roman candle shooting 12 with me.
 
#20
My last gun was an 870 express with synthetic stock. Was a solid gun but I'm looking for something with more soul. I've shot a couple Benellis but most of their line up was overkill, out of my price range, or didn't have the right feel (nova) for me.

I still shoot my old single shot 20 and love the simplicity, used to jump ducks with it growing up and hope my future kids will use it too. I've never tried a 20 ga. on pheasants, figured that I couldn't effectively knock them down with the smaller gauge.

Question for you all: what shells do you use for 20 ga pheasant shot?
 

Philster

Active Member
#21
My last gun was an 870 express with synthetic stock. Was a solid gun but I'm looking for something with more soul.
You want soul? Go to a great big real gun shop that has lots of used guns. Ithaca 37 or Winchester model 12. Both of them are in the 'Retha Franklin and James Brown category of soul. Probably between 350 and 450 depending on condition. You want an auto go for a Browning A5. Patented in 1900 and was in production until 1998... John Browning was a freakin' genius
 

Philster

Active Member
#23
The model 12 is on my list for a 12 ga as well as an older BPS. Haven't tried the online route yet.
A model 12 is kind of like a 1911 pistol. If you're at all serious, you almost have to own one at some point :rofl: I'm fortunate in that 20 or so minutes from my house there's a gun shop that has soooo many used shotguns. Any day of the week there are probably 10 A5s, 15 model 12s, a handful of 37s. BPS are very nice guns as well. Fit and finish is beyond the 12s, but a nice 37 is hard to beat for elegance. But BPS don't have the "soul" of a 37 or 12. A friend of mine recently showed me a 1950 era model 12 riot gun. I've touched Parker side by sides, and shot $8000 tricked out trap guns. That damn Model 12 was one of the most real objects I've ever seen. It was so simple yet so beautiful.
 

ribka

Active Member
#24
You want soul? Go to a great big real gun shop that has lots of used guns. Ithaca 37 or Winchester model 12. Both of them are in the 'Retha Franklin and James Brown category of soul. Probably between 350 and 450 depending on condition. You want an auto go for a Browning A5. Patented in 1900 and was in production until 1998... John Browning was a freakin' genius
Well said the model 37, 12 and A5, preferably in a sweet sixteen, are a ll must haves in one's life
 
#25
Picked up the 1300 this morning. Running it through a local wings course on Tuesday. :thumb:

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Philster

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#26
Ribs just look wrong on Winchesters!:rofl: Just kidding. It's a beaut! 5 stand or Sporting clays on tuesday? I couldn't hit that damn rabbit if I didn't know it was coming :clown:
 
#27
Sporting clays with an 8 station course.

Just a little more than 2 months to go until bird season kicks off here (dove starter). Have a 14 month old lab with ~ 20 days on birds, training program starting up, and an urge to point at birds, rabbits, and cow shit ready to go. He put up a covey of huns just a few weeks ago. With these high flows bird hunting is about all I'm excited about.

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Jim Wheeler

Full time single dad and pram builder
#28
Had one. Nice gun and reliable IMO for an auto. I went to a couple different O/U's but have nothing bad to say about the 1300
 

andrew

Active Member
#29
I support your purchase of a 20 gauge for the birds you indicated, it's much more sporting. I've never understood why anyone would want to use a 12 gauge on doves. That is like using a .416 Rigby on whitetail deer.
If you desire 'sporting' drop the 12 and 20 gauges and find yourself a 16! Not only do you 'hunt' for your game, but your shells too!