To Spey or Not to Spey

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by Kevin Harris, Dec 9, 2002.

  1. Kevin Harris

    Kevin Harris New Member

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    Philster,

    If I hooked into a fish on my first try I'd wet my waders from the inside. More likely you'll be laughing as I forget I have a Spey rod and backcast into a nettle thicket behind me. DOUUU!!! :ANGRY :BIGSMILE I'll check out the Carnation store this weekend, thanks for the tip!

    Kevin
     
  2. SPEYBUM

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    Good thread.
    Kevlar if you have mind to it give me e-mail at speybum@speyshop.com.
    I will give you a free overview.
    In fact any the rest of you who want a little Speytime let me know.
    The points in all these posts are great.
    The main purpose of the Speycast is to fish.
    It allows you to fish in places where you have little or no back cast room
    I my self like double handed rods.
    Line weighs have a large range 4wt through 14wt.
    Length from 11 feet to 20.
    It all depends on the Individual.
    Remember knowledge is the key to success in any indevor.
    Keep up the good work
    Speybum
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  3. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    What do I know---I'm just an old man

    I have watched you Spey cast and your telling of it doesn't match your fishing with it. I have watched you get it out there quite nicely but your not satisfied with it and try to do it better and you seem to end up worse. After the way you dig at me it's my turn.

    Jim :TONGUE
     
  4. TerryD

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    My two cents: It's a spey rod for me, 95% of the time. I do love a single hander on small rivers or late Sept., when all rivers in this area are small. However, for the remainder of the seasons and rivers I fish the speyrod.

    Started 4 years ago after attending one of Dec Hogan's classes. What won me over to the spey-side was the abuse my shoulder was taking casting the single handed 8-wt.

    I only have one rod, but dream and scheme about more (someday a 7-wt). The rod I started with was the Sage 9140, but I would recommend attending a SpeyClave and trying out others before making your final selection. There are a lot more rods makers out there to choose from today. Speybum's shop is an excellent resource and a great start.

    It took me about a summer casting one day or evening a week to get the casting down. It is different than the single handed cast and with practice it gets better and easier.

    Again, my two cents.

    TerryD
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  5. ray helaers

    ray helaers Active Member

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    I don't think learning how to handle the spey rod is going to be any more difficult than learning how to effectively cast the single handed rod for steelhead fishing, especially for the type of fishing you'd be doing on our big rivers. It takes quite awhile to get proficient and consistent at throwing big flies and heavy sink tips 70-90 feet, no matter what kind of rod you're waving. And the line handling and mending properties of a spey rod far surpass a single hander, and may be more important than the casting. All things considered, the spey rod is probably a far more efficient tool for catching steelhead, particularly winter steelhead in big rivers.

    The only problem is that it is not a very versatile tool, compared to that Sage 8-weight. The Sage WILL catch steelhead for you, if not as well and with more work, and it will also work for you if you want to fish for coho in the salt, or throw big hair-popper to bass, or fish for bonefish or permit on your dream trip to the Bahamas, or even fish for steelhead in a small coastal stream, all things that your spey rod would be next to useless for.

    I guess I'd rather fish for steehead with a 15' spey rod, but I would still need my 9'6" Sage 8-weight for all the other fishing I do.
     
  6. BOBLAWLESS

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    As Kevin so eruditely pointed out, "Mao Tse Tung said you'll have to make a great leap forward." True. But our great leader and chairman also said, "The longest march begins with the first step." Or maybe it was Sun Yat Sen that said that. No matter the point is well taken.
    Of course you should get into spey fishing. It's what men dream about when every thing around them turns to Shultz. You plan, you plot, you lust for, you covet, you perfect and there life is. If you didn't dream of fishing, what would you dream about?
    Also, getting back to our great leader and chairman's note about long marches and first steps, try doing this:

    Make a list of things you will have to do or think you will have to do, after reading all of the above, to become a spey fly caster and then list them in order of importance. Stay to the list, moving a bit at a time, pay check to pay check, and one day the door will open for you.

    I personally believe that those guys on the Skagit and those on this very site are some of the world's best fly casters. How blessed we are to live near them and have a chance to meet, at least to watch them.
    The photos kill me. This little guy, ass deep in boiling water, throws a ton of line in a long arching loop that catapults like a rocket way the hell out there. If it's a thrill to watch, I'll bet it's even a bigger howl to do. Not many fish these days. But there still is a lot of free casting room to play in. Best of luck and get hooked. :THUMBSUP
    BOBLAWLESS
    P.S. Every time you go out, you should be able to cast a tiny bit farther, say the length of your elephant or so.
     
  7. Kevin Harris

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    Well Bob,

    As Steppenwolf would put it: "God Damn the pusherman!!" Yes that's right I'm hooked. I just tied my first spey fly (first fly ever mind you) last night. I took a class from Jack Cook and was greatly surprised by the outcome. That couldn't have come from my hands but it did!! At any rate on Dec. 26th I'm going out to test out Spey rods. I don't want to hem and haw too much. I just have to settle on one and start casting (and tying) and hopefully actually catch a steelhead within a year. :THUMBSUP Thanks to you and everyone for all your help and encouragement through all my Spey trials and tribulations.

    Kevlar
     
  8. Kevin Harris

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    When is the next Spey Clave going to be held? That would be helpful before I select my rod. Hopefully the rod will be my Billy Barule a la Ted Knight's putter from "Caddy Shack". Please refer to the 2 wav files I've enclosed for your listening pleasure. "Oh Billy, Billy, Billy...don't let me down Billy." You know wouldn't it be great if we had Spey caddys on the river. Then I could say: "Spaulding, this calls for the ole Billy Barule."

    Thanks again everyone for your help,

    Kevlar
     
  9. Kevin Harris

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    The previous attachments were sent as a HTML files. The files I'm sending are wav so they might not be supported. I'm trying again to send them as a zip file but if that doesn't work I'll give you the URL, http://www.carlspackler.com/sounds.html. The wave files are numbered 173 & 174.

    Have a good one,

    Kevlar