yes, the indians have built their very own welfare existence. as was the case with 'welfare moms', there is huge resistence to moving beyond that situation. the more progressive tribes work pretty hard at providing incentives, including full rides to colleges, but just as was the case with the 'moms', it's a very difficult cycle to break. locally, there are very few s'kallam actually fishing, maybe a dozen or less. but if you were to broach any of these ideas with the tribal chairman, fish traps, guiding,...., what you would most likely hear is: '...it's our tradition to fish and we have a right do do so whenever and however we choose...' that is the end of the tune. there is also the strong sense of being 'owed' and never having been paid. i have encountered this and have asked for clarification but the response typically is '...you don't understand...', well of course i don't but there is never any explaination put forward, interesting. having worked inside and outside of state level government, let me say one last time, shuffling your feet, standing on the sidelines, and attempting to 'lobby' from a new comer on the block vs major power players is folly. unless you have a really big stick you will have lip service from lots of folks and a pat on the back. i am glad that so many of you have put your faith in CCA, more power to you and them, but at the end of the day they will have accomplished about as much as those they follow. there is only one stick that government agencies attend too, litigation, that is what saved the blue fish and the red fish.