Tribes want free Discover Passes

#32
I'm not going to step too far in to this, but I don't think that graph is showing what you think it's showing. The GDP of the state is growing (slowly), but tax revenues aren't. And state spending is pretty stagnant. Here's a graph that better outlines that:

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That's about all I'll say on the subject.

Matthew
Sorry Matthew, That chart is definatly not counting interest debt spend (Shit we bought on credit last x years) and is probably only counting consumer tax, but I'd have to do some math to verify that. Looking at a glance tho, that looks like what they did. That is the problem and the same spin that our gov has been using to lie right to our faces. Also state GDP trends the same as state Tax Revenu. The data supports this but, I didn't have a graph on hand show it. I sometimes forget that Econ 101 is no longer taught in our public schools. Wonder why?

The tribes shouldn't have to pay, none of us should, we already paid for it.
 

bennysbuddy

the sultan of swing
#35
Don't we all want something for nothing? Well, it seems if you want to use the resource you have to pay. Hope it applies to everyone the same. As for refusing to buy one but still using the areas, that is your choice. No need bragging about your law breaking bravado. They are required by law, right? Forgot that these days we can pick and choose the laws we wish to follow.
I've learned from watching my dully elected officials & most lawyers,liberals & police officers it ain't illegal unless you get caught even then a good lawyer can muddle the facts and make you the victim and get you off.
 

ribka

Active Member
#36
I'd be more than happy to pay for one user pass to use statewide when hunting, hiking, camping, fishing etc, if they (WDFW) uniformly enforced the pass among all user groups including tribal members and if the funds generatated by the sales of the passes went to resources enforcement/mangement and not in the general state fund.

Most law abiding recreational users, fishermen and hunters are growing weary of tribal groups not being held to the same standards. Sick of tribal placing nets accross spawning access for native steelhead, salmon and shooting deer, sheep and elk at or near the WInter feeding stations when they are most vulnerable.
 
#37
The tribes should not get a free pass here. I look at it as a use fee, and ALL should pay it, with possible exceptions for the physically disabled.
 

nb_ken

Active Member
#38
I've learned from watching my dully elected officials & most lawyers,liberals & police officers it ain't illegal unless you get caught even then a good lawyer can muddle the facts and make you the victim and get you off.
I know, let's all go down to the Cedar for a big fish fry. I loves me them freshly-caught trout. How about the first weekend in September? Anyone in?
 

nb_ken

Active Member
#39
I'd be more than happy to pay for one user pass to use statewide when hunting, hiking, camping, fishing etc,
Me too. I'd also be more than happy to pay for a Tom Morgan Special at the price of a Lefty Kreh Signature. It's time these politicians started paying attention to the needs of the average voter. What ever happened to common sense?
 

dryflylarry

"Chasing Riseforms"
#40
The tribes should not get a free pass here. I look at it as a use fee, and ALL should pay it, with possible exceptions for the physically disabled.
Ah heck, I thought the tribes were their own "Nation". If so, maybe they should pay for a "non-resident" fishing license fees
when not fishing on the reservation! Just joking. And, regarding all fishing fees, I think you should be considered a "senior citizen at age 65, not 70. I think that's a screwjob by the state. 70! Hell, a lot of folks that age can hardly walk! It's a joke. My local pancake house considers you a senior with senior rates at age 55! Now there ya go!
 

Ed Call

Well-Known Member
#41
DFL, I agree it should be 65. I agree with others that it should be fee to use, regardless of your status. I also think that the whole WDFW, BLM, NPS should get together to get one pass and stop dorking around with us all. As for your local pancake house, they get your business multiple times a year, the state gets it once. They have to STICK it to you when they can.
 

Old Man

Just an Old Man
#42
DFL, I agree it should be 65. I agree with others that it should be fee to use, regardless of your status. I also think that the whole WDFW, BLM, NPS should get together to get one pass and stop dorking around with us all. As for your local pancake house, they get your business multiple times a year, the state gets it once. They have to STICK it to you when they can.
In Montana when you reach 62 you are a Senior Citizen. And you don't really buy a license. It's a Conservation License. It's good for a number of things. Since I only fish I don't care.
 

Go Fish

Language, its a virus
#43
All the issues brought up about the Discover
Tax are valid.

It is an ill conceived and poorly
executed piece of chit.

It was passed in a
rush and shows that,
with holes as big as
the pancakes at the
Waffle House.

People will pay if it makes
dollars and sense. At this
point it doesn't and I won't.

As for the tribes they will
fight tooth and nail to get it
for free.

They take their X%
and give back less than that.

Dave
 
#44
I would like to see the Tribes get a free pass for all Tribal members and their guests. I would also like to see a sliding fee / no fee scale for low income, or no income, poverty and underpriveledged people etc. And if they want this fee system to work they should be charging a flat rate for all activities and access, to include all of the boat ramps statewide, and a $5.00 day rate at most! (even at that price the parks lost most of their attendance the last time we did this!)

Some people may see the fee as a good thing "for fishing" as it reduces angler pressure in the parks etc. But I see that as a terrible thing because for many people the parks were all that they had, and now they can not afford that. The Public Parks were meant for everyone, not just those with money.
amen brother amen. couldnt have said it better. Right now im in a situation where money is tight and I am now pretty much denied access to one of my favorite places to spend the summer. It sucks.
 

Kent Lufkin

Remember when you could remember everything?
#45
They do this on purpose? All this time I thougth they were illiterate idiots and didn't know anybetter.
When I first moved here, the guy who drove me around to show me the ropes in my new job immediately moved into the left lane on I-5 and drove 60mph. After a couple of days watching folks pass on the right and flip me off, I finally asked him why he was ignoring the Slower Traffic Keep Right signs?

He replied that when he took drivers' ed in high school, they were taught that when you got on a freeway to go more than a mile or two you drove in the left lane because the right lane was for local traffic only. After 25 years in Washington and seeing some of the other bonehead things done here, it's hardly surprising anymore.

K