Two Handed Overhead Casting Rods for the Salt?

Discussion in 'Saltwater' started by Stonefish, Aug 4, 2005.

  1. Matt Burke

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    Brian,

    I use my traditional rods (CND, Loop Yellow line, Sage) for summer run on the rivers now. It’s the best way to swing line with the traditional/slower action rods. For overheading, I like the fastest rods I can get. For off the beach for Coho, I will go to the Meiser 15 footer.

    You know guys, we are getting a lot more response to a 2 handed salt clave this year. What I will do since we all may not be able to meet as a group, I will meet with you individually at anytime after I get my kids back to the EX on the 15th. I’ll bring my cutthroat 5120 to the 15 footer if you want to check it out and use my rods. I don’t have an Atlantis, but maybe somebody can bring one. They are cool to play with. Mostly I’d like to BS about lines ( building, weights, off the shelf and different types of running lines ). Also, there are baskets, flies and technique we could pretend that we know a lot about. Lincoln Park, Shilshole, Carkeek, Richmond, Picnic Point, Meadowdale, Mulkilteo, Howarth, Whatever. PM me and we will hook up. They are already catching Coho and Pinks out there. Slowly, but it is starting.
     
  2. kjackson

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    Hmmm...I almost hate to post here since my experience is so limited. I started using a G. Loomis Trilogy 13 for a 7/8 as a two-hander last year with mixed results. Started with a standard SA spey line but quickly switched to the SA short-head spey when it became available. I didn't get to use it much but did land chums to upper teens on it in the salt and am pleased with the distance I can achieve. The only problem I have is my occasional tendency to use the rod as a single hander...

    While I haven't used it with a two-handed rod yet, (I have with a couple of single-handed rods) Spiderwire Stealth has been a great running line in 85 or 100-pound tests. The stuff floats like a cork, doesn't absorb water, and best of all, doesn't tangle much. On the Kenai last year, it didn't bury in the spool at all under pressure. I imagine any of the other GSP braids would be about the same, but it's worth trying. Of course, it is thicker in diameter, but the floating and relative stiffness of the line are its strong points.

    KJ
     
  3. Matt Burke

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    I’ve thought about gel spun as a running line several times. There are a couple of folks in Australia that have laboriously placed mono inside of braided gel spun with dabs of cyro-acrylate glue along the 200+ feet. The only problem with using gel spun is that if you hook a fatty and he runs, gel spun will cut through your fingers like butter. Placing the mono inside of braided gel spun supposedly rectifies that problem. I would think it would only increase the diameter of the running line and would just stick with regular gel spun. I’ve even thought of placing a very large open faced reel on my 15 foot rod lined with very thin diameter gel spun and seeing how far I could cast a line. An open faced reel would solve the problem of cutting fingers and the tangle of a stripping basket. Now don’t get your panties in a bunch gentlemen, I only thought about it and still prefer mono running line. I like having finger tip control. Of course there are those that will say using mono isn’t fly fishing anymore.

    You have to understand that I would do just about anything to figure out how to cast a fishable line and fly, 75 to 100 yards out in the salt. If someone would promise to show me how, if I would take on the entire defensive line of the Seahawks during a game at Quest field, then there would be one bloody mass of bodies laying on the fifty yard line. Coming up with a new method of fly fishing the salt requires extreme, unorthodox thinking and as anyone will tell you on this site, there is a lot wrong with my rational.
     
  4. Brandon S

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    I actually own both the smaller and larger atlantis's. The surf tamer is a serious rod, well suited for our line sided friends to the east, or feathered friends to the south, I just can't picture myself using the surf tamer in the sound. The All Rounder on the other hand is actually a really sweet rod off the local beaches for silvers and the like, although a tad on the heavy side for cutts. It does feel very light in hand, I think I heard it compared to a 7 weight spey rod to give you an idea. Im no expert by any means with the thing, but 90' casts are pretty routine, perfect when there jumping just out of range, or when trying to reach that rip seam. Oh, and there really fun!Down sides are the increase tangles that come with 100' of line stripped off the reel, and the necesity for a stripping basket, though it seems most guys are using these now anyway.
     
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    I'm currently slavering over a Meiser 11'7" 5/6/7 two-hander for both Puget Sound and for Yakima Trout ( and various Bulls, Searuns in Rivers, the surprise summer-run....). Has anyone given this a serious field test?

    Tom
     
  6. flybill

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    I've cast the 11' 7" Meiser many times at River Run Anglers and even taken it out to the Yakima and it's awesome! I can't remember the specific lines that I've used on it, but others can help you figure that out. Better yet, go out there and try it out and you'll convince yourself in no time.

    On the Yak you'll only want to use it when you're wading, since its overkill when fishing from a boat and in some of the smaller stretches.
     
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    Tom, I've been slavering over the rod for about a year now, but I've got a Meiser 11'7" 5/6/7 coming my way sometime before September 1, so I'll be able to tell you something about it after I take it out for a walkabout a couple of times. I'd be happy to meet up somewhere and let you give it a go.

    Once I get the basics out of the way, I would hope to be able to meet up with someone more experienced with the 2 hand cast to, as Steve says, help me get more out of the rod. I would love to clave up on the 2 handers.
     
  8. sean

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    I am the other guy Matt refers to and use the atlantis in both sizes for beach fishing out here. Well used to. I move to Rhode Island next week and will be able to get the rod a lot more of a workout back there. The saltwaters fishing is insane out there.

    One thing I will mention if you are just starting out is to get a good line. The past few years we have been doing a lot of chopping and splicing as normal shooting heads just do not do a good job of holding the casting energy that two handers can generate. The energy just blows out the end of the line and you loose a lot of distance. However RIO now has the outbound line which was designed with overheading with two hands in mind. They are a 37.5 feet long which is a good length as is fishes well. Long lines can be a pain to get back out of the rod guides to setup a cast. Shorter lines alleviate that problem. They shoot like crazy. The only downside is the line is only 120' long which is easy to hit with my atlantis'. I wish it was 150' so I wasn;t in my backing all the time. Will be splicing more on.

    Airflo does have one line called the beach tamer with was built for the 1111 Atlantis. Super nice line and if you have the atlantis or a similiar wt rod it is another line to look at. It rocks.

    Good luck and I am going to miss the coho from the beach...not really. Stripers , bluefish, albacore, and bonito here I come!

    -sean
     
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