Tying Lessons

Discussion in 'Fly Tying' started by flasher, Feb 17, 2004.

  1. dmoocher

    dmoocher Member

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    Excellent choice on the vice...what you'll find as a beginner is that the side of the fly facing you won't look anything like the side you can't see. This was an ongoing problem 'till I got my Renzetti.

    I firmly believe a rotary vice allows you to tie better flies!
     
  2. FishPirate

    FishPirate New Member

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    I taught myself how to tie about 15 yrs ago with a Thompson A and Jack Dennis' book. I shouldn't have waited so long! If you go through his book, pattern by pattern, at the end you will be able to tie 90+ percent of the patterns out there, and your flies will look better than 90 percent of the tiers out there!

    Start with a wooly worm and a griffith's gnat, and pay attention to the fundamental proportions and you can't go wrong. Only purchase what is absolutely necessary at the beginning, and slowly build up your material base as needed for individual patterns. Don't get overwhelmed by all of the specialized materials and gadgets, they are used more to catch fisherman than fish.

    Best of luck,

    FP
     
  3. weekend warrior

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    I agree with everyone who believes that you can teach yourself to tie. Sure fly tying classes are helpful but there too damn exspensive. i find it more helpful with a very well put together book on fly tying. IE: Benchside Reference.This book has everything and then some. My first fly i tied was a bloody muddler.. It looked like shit but man did i hook a hog on that one. Never will forget that day. Anyways buy a book dont pay for classes.:thumb
     
  4. Mike Etgen

    Mike Etgen Not Quite A Luddite, But Can See One From Here

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    New River Mike

    Every time my wife (bless her heart) asks me why I don't try selling some of my flies, I explain to her that at my tying rate, and assuming my time to be worth minimum wage, I'd have to get about five dollars apiece for my flies.
    And I don't EVEN get into the quality issue...


    :7
     
  5. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    Mike,not to change the subject. But Mine asks almost the same questions. Like if you know of so many places to catch fish why don't you put it in a book and I tell her that anybody can find these places. But it will probably take them 40 years like it did me.

    I'm going fishing with flasher tomorrow and I have two books to loan him. "Beginners Guide to Flytying" By Curtis Mann and Terry Griffiths and "American Nymph Fly Tying Manual" By Randall Kaufmann. These should help him on his way as they helped me a little. I said a little as I'm really beyond help.

    Jim
     
  6. luv2fly2

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    one tip i use in my fly classes is if you have trouble with a concept work on that. for example if tailing is the problem then tie on a tail, cut it off and tie on a tail , cut it off, etc. this helped me with hair wings. for beginners the jam knot is tough. also learning to use a whip finisher, do it over and over without tying a fly until the idea is mastered.
     
  7. Big K1

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    I agree that you can teach yourself. That is how I learned to
    tie trout flies. I did take a class 3 years ago with Glenn Wilson
    on spey and dee flies and I am glad I did. It would be kind of
    hard I think to figure out the sequence on those two styles of flies
    without someone showing you. At least it was for me.
    If you want to tie some of the more complex flies it may
    be worth a class. I paid $75.00 for a class that was 4 two hour classes.

    Kevin
     
  8. Mike Monsos

    Mike Monsos AKA flyman219

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    When I learned how to tie I used video tapes and a pattern book. To learn some of the methods to make my fies come out better I would watch some pros on the videos. "Hooked on Fly Tying" helped me out a number of times and I can go back and review them when I need to at my convience. They have the whole catalog at ffvm.com (Fly Fishing Video Magazine) You might be able to rent them at a fly shop or check out the online king county library catalog.
     
  9. Roper

    Roper Idiot Savant

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    It's always interesting to see what gets debated around here.
    IMHO, you should do whatever you can afford. There's nothing like getting advice/feedback while you're doing something. Try asking a book if your fly looks right...

    On the other hand, I basically learned from books. Amato puts out lots of good "how to" books on fishing and tying subjects. The best ones show you step by step who to tie a pattern. One by Phil Rowley even discusses how to vary the pattern for your particular area.
    If you're at either of the show the next two weekends, see if there is an Amato booth and check out their books.

    Roper,

    Good things come to those who wade...
     
  10. miyawaki

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    If you want to teach yourself, go to the Meydenbauer show this weekend and hang out at the flytyers table and ask questions.

    Leland.
     
  11. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    You gonna be demonstrating your beach popper this year Leland?
     
  12. PeteM

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    A decent online course can be found on Fly Anglers Online. Check it out before taking a class.

    Pete
     
  13. miyawaki

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    No I'm not. I will be at the show sunday, though. I spent an interesting evening at our WFFC meeting yesterday. Jack Gartside was our featured speaker. I met and fished with him way back in 1982 in Yellowstone. He tied his Gurglers last night as well as some awesome candlefish. We are to go fishing sometime today if the weather cooperates – maybe we'll have "popper-off" on Capt. Keith Robbins' boat.

    Jack will be tying at Meydenbauer. I'd encourage all of you to go watch him tie.

    Leland
     
  14. pwoens

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    No one learns the same way. Try it on your own utilizing books, online resources, ect... If you are having a hard time and can afford the $$$ and allocation of time then sign up for a class.

    I have learned everything on my own without a class. Some things I have picked up from dissecting other flies, reading books, watching videos, searching online, and watching others tie. There are some little tricks that you wont learn without guidance, but for the most part you can figure everything else out utilizing what has been mentioned. Best of luck and dont be affraid to ask questions.

    ~Patrick ><>
     
  15. hikepat

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    I am of both Schools of thaught. You can learn to tie flies that catch fish on your own with maybe a little help in the right dirrection. But if you want to tie really good flies that will catch fishermen and that are true works of art you will need someone to help you. My flies will catch fish and since starting on tying after last years trip to Dry Falls. A quick leason on the whip finish from members from this board that were there and the Orvis book on fly tying with its just 6 paterns plus information from the internet. I have already learned to tie many types of flies for both salt and fresh water. I have now tied many hundred of flies some look good some that look pretty bad. I now feel that I am at a point were watching some other much better craftsmen at the art, will really build on the skills I have worked out on my own so far. I will most likely be spending a lot of time watching some of the masters at the show this Saturday if I can get myself to take a day off from fishing to go.
    So I guess I feel you can learn to tie flies without lessons up to a point but at some point you will want to get some one to teach you some things as well.