Been getting back into fishing and tying, mostly doing 14-18 flies now, but I hear that a lot of people near me (Bishop CA) are fishing streamers for the local browns. My current vice is the cheapo AA vice that comes with the Cabelas $30 kit. The jaws are all smashed up, and I have a hard time keeping my size 18 hooks from falling out if I don't smash em into place. The Rotary vices are "neat", but I haven't been able to try one, the 2 fly shops here are pretty crappy when it comes to tying equipment. . . so I'll just have to get something and learn how to use it. I don't really want to spend a lot, but I don't want to have to replace it in the future. I've been looking at everything from the Peak Rotary ($150) up to the expensive (to me) Dyna King Baracuda JR. It'll be hard to justify going over $200, but I will if I think it'll be the best purchase in the long run.