Washington we have a problem ( wolf attack )

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  1. Jerry White

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    True dat. The coyote will be here long after humans have tripped and fallen over their own cleverness... and exited the landascape stage right.
     
  2. TallFlyGuy

    TallFlyGuy Adipossessed!

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    You are joking right? Wolves do not only kill the sick and afflicted. Biggest bunch of urban myth crap out there. They need to kill and get rid of the wolves....Never should have been reintroduced.

    http://www.saveelk.com/wolf_002.htm
     
  3. KerryS

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    Could the so called indiscriminate killing actually be part of the plan? Do you think the animals that were killed by these wolves went to waste? I noticed that most of the kills took place in the winter time. How many other animals benefited from the wolves’ kill and were able to survive a harsh winter? Some push their views of nature on the rest without thinking about what is actually going on. Nature can be brutal, get used to it and accept it.
     
  4. TallFlyGuy

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    It can be brutal... but the wolves are a problem... Idaho has issued a state of emergency on them. Way tooo many damn wolves. Very similar to the sea lion problem. Wolves are killing for sport, not for food, and the elk population has been reduced by as much as 40%. Now the other surrounding states are getting involved. Much more than a little problem Kerry. Read up on it, and then we will talk.
     
  5. generic

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    Yes, it has been well documented. Not only that, but there is an important fact that has been lost on those that are all "go mother nature". The wolves that once roamed here were a different breed that has been reintroduced. The wolf that has been reintroduced is one and a half times larger than what was here years ago. I believe it is a descendant of the Canadian wolf.

    That being said, they are going to target larger animals than those that were here, in higher numbers. Simply put, the kill rate will be higher. Look at the drop off of the elk herds. Where's the "go mother nature" in that? In light of that, the "balance" of power (for a lack of better words) will be tilted in their direction, unless the states issue more hunting tags for them.

    The fact is, when ever we play "God"...we always seem to screw things up. If we are so anxious to bring the wolf back, bring back a wolf that isn't going to cause so many problems. Sure, any introduction of any wolf is naturally going to create issues. But when we bring in one that is so large and dominant, the problems will reflect that decision.
     
  6. KerryS

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    I will take you for your word. I don't have the time nor desire to read up on some wolves that are doing what wolves do. There are way to dman many people also and many of them kill for sport. People have a huge detremental affect on every enviroment they come in contact with. Just sayin'.
     
  7. Richard Olmstead

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    The concept of a "shifting baseline" has been an effective metaphor for explaining why each generation accepts diminishing runs of salmon and steelhead without the outrage that we all should feel. If someone grows up with the runs we have today, that becomes their normal or "baseline" for what anadromous populations should be.

    The same concept applies to elk populations, but in the opposite direction. The 'baseline' we have for elk populations in much of the northern Rockies is much higher than what the same habitat would have been able to support prior to the extirpation of wolves. People now decry the reduction in elk populations in Idaho and elsewhere brought about by the introduction of wolves, but it is really just bringing nature back into a balance that is more akin to what it was in the past. The huge elk populations of recent decades have dramatically altered some of the ecosystems they inhabit. The studies in the greater Yellowstone ecosystem show this nicely.

    Folks who think that elk exist solely for the purpose of hunters to shoot, are the ones complaining loudest about the competition that the wolves now provide. Get over it.

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    So when do you think this "baseline" will level out with a wolf that is 50% larger than what was here?

    They are a problem, and will continue to be a problem, unless hunters are able to hunt them.
     
  9. Ryan Nathe

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    iagree
     
  10. Ryan Nathe

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    What special wolf is 50% bigger? Historically gray wolves inhabited this area, the reintroduced ones are gray wolves.
     
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    Typical response for someone who is Naieve in this situation. People who held the view you have are the main reaseon Idaho has called it an emergency situation. Tell you what, lets take 300 of these large wolves and put them in the olympic penninsula for 10 years, and let them destroy the roosevelt elk herds. NO wait, it will just be what nature is doing --- Balancing it all out... NOT. Come on get with the program and read up on this before you speak this nonsense.
     
  13. Jergens

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    Kerry just for the record, I would had starved to death by now if it wasn't for costco & mcdonalds. My constant hunting & fishing failures over the last few years have forced me to rely on costco & mcdonalds to sustain me.
     
  15. generic

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    Doesn't seem to work very well. Even with facts, unless they are "trapped in their cabin", some just chose to believe what they want.

    Wouldn't life be easier if we could all hide in a bubble of ignorance? :beathead: