Washington we have a problem ( wolf attack )

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Tom O'Riley, Oct 10, 2011.

  1. Flyborg

    Flyborg Active Member

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    So in summary before we hit page 20, just to make sure I've read things right:

    Bunch of anti-wolf propaganda and rhetoric gets posted.
    Level headed individuals point out that while they don't disagree with wolf hunting or management, the obvious rhetoric is getting in the way of real action.
    Anti-wolf fundamentalists come out of the woodwork and insist that we're disagreeing with the conclusion as opposed to the knee-jerk bullshitting.
    Level headed individuals again try to point out that they're not arguing the conclusion, just the large amount of bullshit involved.
    Several people continue to argue against the boards non-existent pro-wolf supporters.

    Not a single person in this thread is on team Jacob.

    We're all here because we're interested in angling. Hunting follows the exact same vein. As anglers, we understand that fucking around with mother nature can have major repercussions. This is true whether you're removing a species, changing habitat, or even re-introducing species. But the means we choose to interact with nature gives us a unique perspective on harvesting animals. It's why hunters and anglers drive environmental conservation. Not the PETA-tards.

    Sadly, the anti-wolf fundamentalists have lost sight of reality and tried to remove the ESA in it's entirety this year--despite countless hunting and conservation groups pointing out how stupid that is. Even the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation--one of the main groups being politically and judicially active to limit wolf predation on elk, considers the fundies to be complete tards.

    So just to re-route this to more relevant discussions, what are people's opinions on the chances for wild steelhead should the ESA go away due to the rabid anti-wolf lobby?
     
  2. Derek Young

    Derek Young Emerging Rivers Guide Services

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    I returned from a hunt in MT last week, and while there was surprised to hear that despite the large number of wolves in the area, and the number of licenses sold, that few hunters there could manage to "fill" their tags.

    As with anything, proper management will rely on good data coming in, to make effective decisions in the field - "Shoot, shovel, shut-up."
     
  3. generic

    generic Justified

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    bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

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    The only thing I know for sure is most of this tread is like the story of the three little pigs , a fairy tale that gets old after the third time you hear it.
     
  5. TallFlyGuy

    TallFlyGuy Adipossessed!

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    44 wolf tags filled in Montana and 100 filled in Idaho. Hopefully they will fill 500+ tags for each state this season. ONly costs $31, thats right only $31, for an out of state wolf tag in IDaho, and $350 for an out state wolf tag in Montana. I think the best way preserve the larger non indiginous canadian wolves here in the lower 48 is to take one to a taxidermist.

    "One hundred wolves were harvested by hunters through the end of October. Hunters killed three wolves
    in August during the first two days of the season, 30 wolves during September, and 68 wolves in
    October. In comparison, hunters had killed 84 wolves by October 31 during our first season in 2009,
    including 67 during October. Just under 30,000 wolf hunting tags for 2011 had been sold as of close of
    business on November 7. Additionally, 71 wolf trapping tags have been purchased for the season that
    opens November 15. Hunters purchased 26,428 wolf tags in 2009."

    http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/docs/wolves/reportMonthlyOct11.pdf


    Here is an up to date link to show you how many wolves have been harvested. Looks like they are up to 142 wolves so far.

    http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/hunt/?getpage=121
     
  6. Salmo_g

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    Good summary Flyborg.

    Sg
     
  7. TallFlyGuy

    TallFlyGuy Adipossessed!

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    Where is it said that anti wolf fundamentalists want to get rid of the ESA in it's entirety? I read they wanted to remove the wolves from the ESA (which they have) but not the entire ESA and every species on it?
     
  8. Flyborg

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    It says it in the Bible.

    I'm not really interested in e-scholastics. Nothing I present needs to be construed as fact, and anyone taking me seriously does so at their own risk. You of all people should know that, and really, that should apply to everything on the internet.

    Disclaimer aside, there were several groups trying to press for a more aggressive gutting of the ESA, using the anti-wolf banner to rally the frothing masses. They wanted to essentially give the states the right to bypass the ESA. Luckily, the guys who do the actual lobbying understand the concept of wildlife management and more level heads prevailed. Thus the delisting passed. It wouldn't have stood a chance taking aim at the ESA in its entirety. If you dig around the various environmental/wildlife/hunting sites for January posts, you'll see references to the debate. If you actually take the time to do it, you're not browsing enough pr0n.

    We don't live in a bubble, (although apparently, kids are living in cages). Wildlife management is an essential part of successfully living on a planet with 7 billion people. That's why fundies on either end of the spectrum are tards. On one end is PETA and the various e-terrorists (now reinforced by scores of twihards). On the other end is the countless commercial interests hurt by ESA listings, the hunters and anglers too dumb to realize you can't fucking kill everything, and the frothing masses with guns that believe every bit 'o etruth they read. Both sides spew exaggerated facts, which is getting in the way of actually managing the wildlife. Intellectual Integrity is completely overridden by paid-for rhetoric, derped-up hillbillyisms and enviro-truthiness.

    Of course, a part of me wishes that wolves would start eating more people. A part of me also wishes people would start eating more people.
     
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    TallFlyGuy Adipossessed!

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    LOL, You BAstAge
     
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    Wise observations that could be roughly applied to politics these days as well.
     
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    1 - If that statement is true, then we really need new folks in the WFG department. Why would they (or when do they) care what we think. Look at the steelhead...

    2 - If someone posses "intellectual integrity", why would they let this crap bother them?

    3 - I don't care who you are...that there is funny.
     
  12. Jim Mcallister

    Jim Mcallister AKA stillwater guy

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    Hey ! I caught me a fish the other day
     
  13. Chad Lewis

    Chad Lewis NEVER wonder what to do with your free time

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    Well played Sir.
     
  14. gearhead

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    I'm concerned that these wolves are a hatchery product and could impact the native strain, maybe they should be removed, i'm game for swinging a 55gr vmax their way. :)

    on another note....spoke with a guy related to sheep capture with a helo at heller bar, this week, and i guess there are atleast two packs in the Anatone area. i saw wolves off of rattle snake grade maybe four or five years ago, nobody believed me, even my friends, but the guys skirtin the ridges lookin for sheep i guess have seen them.
     
  15. bennysbuddy

    bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

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    but the guys skirtin the ridges lookin for sheep i guess have seen them. (quote)

    I know these are desperate times.But skirtin ridges looking for sheep, Even in Alaska I was never that desperate!!!