WDFW Announces Puget Sound river closures for 2012

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Wild Steelhead Coalition, Jan 6, 2012.

  1. Chris Johnson

    Chris Johnson Member: Native Fish Society

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    You hit the nail on the head Curt, fact based arguments with data to back them up is what is going to work. Pick a river and learn all you can about it, talk to the bio's and managers. It's a long row to hoe, but what are the alternatives?
     
  2. Brazda

    Brazda Fly Fishing guide "The Bogy House" Lodge

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    I know the tribes had net pen going in South sound many years before North Sound,, same as the loss of steelhead runs the south sound was lost first. I don't think that trusting that kind of industry will ever be GOOD for fish runs. Too much money in the pot both on the political side and private side to trust with a now endagered species. With the proven history on fish farming EVERYWHERE else in the world why would we disreguard the posability and potential for the same outcome. Just because it has been done for fifty years does not mean it is done safely and correctly now, just with all business they look for better profits, cutting costs could be there answer and that could be poisoning the sound!
    The pit tagging prior to recent years was way under utilized, I realize its been around for quite some time but tagging 1 in a 100 does not do so much for data collection.
    Pit tagging has gone high tech now they can place a bouy with a reader anywhere and follow those smolt the entire way. They can even find dead fish via the portable tag readers as they did off Vacouvwer Island with Columbia river spring chinook. Washington has in no way exhausted the use of this technology recently developed they just need to do it,,,,or are they afraid of the results! like dead fry in the sound from polution, disease or what ever. This needs to be found out then action can be taken to remedy even if it takes high tech Hatchery solutions as on the upper columbia. All these closures is just staying off the inevitable, Feds taking over and who knows what they may find.

    Once all wild fish are lost then where will any hatchery brood stock come from should that be the only solution.
     
  3. Chris Bellows

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  4. Charles Sullivan

    Charles Sullivan dreaming through the come down

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    Spot on.

    Go Sox,
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  5. KerryS

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    Great thread with some interesting information. What it all boils down to for me is fishermen and/or catch & release rules are not what is causing the decline of our steelhead. Yet, we are the ones targeted by the managers. Closing the rivers to fishing may make sense but I feel the closures are used as a diversion to not focus on the real problems. The managers can point to the closures and report they are doing everything they can to protect these fish when in reality nothing is being done.
     
  6. Brazda

    Brazda Fly Fishing guide "The Bogy House" Lodge

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    Exactly,,,Ironic aint it!
     
  7. Freestone

    Freestone Not to be confused with freestoneangler

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    Curt, thanks for the perspective. It is refreshing to hear some of the good for a change. When first I attended meetings of one of the volunteer WDFW Advisory Groups I serve on, I was shocked by the amount of opposion WDFW gets from other anglers when sound, prudent management interfers with those anglers 'having it their way'. It is dis-heartening to see dedicated people, people passionate about protecting resources get repeatedly shit on, yelled at and demeaned when their careful scientific-based proposals aren't to the liking of (fill in the blank) interest group. Something as simple as trying to limit the use of treble hooks on the Columbia during ESA-listed Chinook and Steelhead migration led to near revolt by user groups way bigger and more powerful than fly fishers. Truthfully, even though everyone loves to hate on WDFW, I sometimes don't know how they keep their employees motivated to keep trying day in and day out; clearly many of them do it for the love of the resource not for the pats on the back. By law, they have been tasked with contradictory objectives, yet they are required to try meet all of them, an excerise in insanity if you ask me. Brazda, you are right about one thing - Public Policy changes are needed, espcially many of the idiotic laws that govern how WDFW is required to operate.
     
  8. KerryS

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  9. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Kerry,
    Interesting read and sadly true. Perhaps most telling is one of the last statements;

    "Public agencies are organized to serve the narrow interests of their constituents rather than maintain the productivity and benefits of natural resources they are charged with protecting for the public good".

    I got to wondering how this thread might weave if hatchery steelhead, like or maybe even more than wild ones, took to swung flies with reckless abandon....:hmmm:
     
  10. KerryS

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    They don't so it doesn't matter.
     
  11. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Oh I suspect it might if they did.
     
  12. KerryS

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    They don't so it doesn't matter.
     
  13. Ryan Higgins

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    Saying it doesnt matter turns a blind eye to the issue hes bringing up. It provides a perspective that is not applicable to you, but might be to another user group with a different opinion than yours.
     
  14. Jonathan Tachell

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    I think what freestone angler is saying is that there would be less hatchery steelhead bashing on this particular board if they were more prone to grabbing a swung fly. Keep in mind that other methods of fishing can be quite productive when it comes to catching these terrible hatchery fish that currently provide the only viable fishery in most streams. Also keep in mind that fly fisherman are the minority when it comes to the angling community and I know plenty of guys that enjoy catching hatchery fish that provide a fishery that would otherwise not exist nor could ever exist again without hatchery fish.

    For the record I fly fish and gear fish and have friends that do both. Most of them enjoy catching a fish from time to time, my self included. Just standing in a fishless river casting all day with very little hope of actually hooking something is not my idea of fun, especially when I am paying for a fishing licensce, discovery pass and thousands of dollars on gear and gas. I would rather fish for hatchery fish than no fish. Or have the rivers closed all together while still being charged for a fishing license.
     
  15. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Kerry knows full well it would matter, but cannot bring himself to say so because it upsets the agenda.