James, that is precisely why I attempted to make a distinction between tribal members and tribal commercial fishermen. I have no doubt that there are tribal members that truly love the fish as a species and want them to survive into the future even if another one is never harvested... My point is simple and maybe too blunt for some. If you put a gillnet in a river that has a species of fish that is not doing well you do not love or respect them. end of story, it does not matter how you feel about them or what you say to other people about them. if you would by a willful action contribute to their decline and possible extinction they you do not care. as an example tribal fishermen on the Hoh river in no way care about the future of Hoh river steelhead. the action of putting a gillnet into that river is proof that you do not care. if you put a net in the Hoh river while it is not meeting it's escapement goals then you are an exploiter and nothing else. you are not valuing your culture or heritage you are not being a co manager you are not being a good steward. you are being a person contributing to the decline of the stock for financial gain. now feel free to tell me I don't know what I am talking about. I think some tribal elders need to step up to the plate and give their commercial fishermen a whooping.