Well are they or not...

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  1. FinLuver

    FinLuver Active Member

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    "We need to maintain healthy and abundant wild populations not only for their own sake, but to be a supply of fish for hatchery production and to keep hatchery programs cost effective," Bakke said.


    Guess "they' are not as bad for our streams as has been previously purported...after all, this quote comes from the "expert".
     
  2. PT

    PT Physhicist

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    I think we should just wipe out all wild runs so the state is finally satisfied.
     
  3. Yard Sale

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    If you don't think Bill Bakke is an expert then you are, well, ummm, how can I put this nicely? Uninformed?

    What he is saying is IF we have a healthy population of wild fish then hatchery fish are okay. As the new science everybody loves to jump on says, if a river has reached its carrying capacity then hatchery fish aren't a big threat to wild fish. Problem is pretty much every river is WAY under its carrying capacity.

    But I'm no expert, so you ain't heard it from me...
     
  4. Jason Rolfe

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    Ooh. Yay! Finluver is back!
     
  5. Jmills81

    Jmills81 The Dude Abides

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    someone doesnt understand context
     
  6. FinLuver

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    Ya I know boys...kinda sucks when the "center of your faith" rocks the world with statements like that to the press.
    Not only that, his organization provided the link as well .
     
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    can someone put up the link discussed or bring a little more context to the thread - thanks
     
  8. Jason Rolfe

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  9. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    I interpreted Bakke's statement as that wild fish for brood stock was a good idea to supplement wild runs. I liked the idea of the broodstock program before it was cancelled...... and I suppose there's probably more ways of trying to figure out what Bakke meant.
     
  10. Yard Sale

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    What sucks about it?

    Its actually a perfectly logical statement if you understand whats going on... Have you ever considered there is a gray area between no hatcheries and the level of hatcheries we have now?
     
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    Broodstock only works if you have enough wild fish reaching the gravel to sacrifice some. Right now that is not the case.

    Agree with you though, that is just my interpretation on it.
     
  12. FinLuver

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    Yard Sale... "gray"

    I used to work as a manufacturer's rep in the big orange box stores...we had a saying, "Everything Is Grey - In The World Of Orange"

    What's that mean?

    Loosely...it's only true, if it's for my own gain - not yours.

    It's always convenient to live in a grey world, but then again that's exactly what we have been doing for decades... could just be why things are the way they are.

    Bakke has access to this and other forums where I have posted his quote...He and only He can tell us what he meant... I'm sure a little CYA damage control will be his path. ;)
     
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    Jason Rolfe... NO - not the source of quote; but I do have that one as well.
     
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    lets see over 100 years of nearly 100% reliance on hatcheries has given us what??? reduced harvest, reduced recreation there is one thing we have however increased,, the number of endangered species...

    at least the wild fish "faith" is based on something that is not a completely proven failure like the hatchery "faith" is.
     
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    "lets see over 100 years of nearly 100% reliance on hatcheries has given us what??? reduced harvest, reduced recreation there is one thing we have however increased,, the number of endangered species...

    at least the wild fish "faith" is based on something that is not a completely proven failure like the hatchery "faith" is."

    Let me guess... I bet your "wild fish faith" says it's the hatcheries' fault for their decline too. ;)