Discussion in 'Saltwater' started by hank_12, May 10, 2009.
you still out there?
I think we scared Hank away from fly-fishing. That should be great news for some of you. Either that or he can't answer because he is out fishing our favorite beaches right now.
Now that you have some places you won't have to call or email me anymore.
I'll wade into this....
I've fished sea-run cutts on Puget Sound since 1996, and I pretty much had to find my own spots. It wasn't tough -- I got a good map and looked for public beaches. I also wasn't afraid to ask someone with a private beach whether I could fish. Some people said yes, some said no and one person just shut the front door.
I found some really good books, and those answered some questions. Folks at good fly shops answered other questions -- and still do. And, I made some friends who have taught me a lot. State fish biologists also helped out a lot-- and still do.
The first thing everyone taught me was that finding beaches -- and then learning them at different stages of the tide -- is one heckuva lot of fun -- and it makes you a better angler.
They also taught me that other people need to go through the same process.
In my newspaper column, I write about sea-run cutts a lot. I do the same on my blog. Why? Well, cutts are the best wild trout fishery in the state, and certainly the best wild trout fishery I've ever seen near a major metro area. These fish need friends -- like Les Johnson, Leland Miyawaki and others on this board.
I write about cutts a lot -- and how to find and fish for them -- but I don't share spots. I don't want to wreck anyone's fun -- or feeling of discovery -- when they scout out a new beach -- or even the riprap at a marina -- and find cutts. I also know that cutts remain a delicate fishery, and I don't want to see my favorite beaches get loved to death.
There are miles and miles of beaches to fish -- particularly if you own a boat or kayak. If you don't, this is still one big Puget Sound, and there are lots of spots to explore and learn. The exploring is the best part of all of this for me -- and there is no better way to live than by the rhythm of the tides....
It may not seem fair, but saltwater beaches (except the most famous) should never be mentioned in posts on the internet. If the fishing is hot, the exact location should really never be posted on the internet. Learning the salt takes patience, skill, curiousity, time, and a network of fishing buddies. I cringe at the thought of someone publishing a book with maps of their beach "hotspots" someday.
The right thing to do is to make some friends on this website, or better yet on the beach, and start fishing with them. Earn their respect and trust, and you will learn far more than by trolling the internet. For those who have benefited from the trust of others on this site, you should respect and be thrifty with that knowledge and not blurt it out all over cyberspace.
I'm saying this not because I think salt water fly fishing is elitist, but I want to protect why it is special. If you doubt me, go to Bush Point the last week of August or Hoodsport in November and witness the future you will create for your treasured beaches.
The next time you are having a great day of fishing, surrounded by no one but herons and the raven trying to peck the eyes out of the fat hatchery silvers you bonked, be happy and content. Share your experiences, tactics, flies, and love for the sport online. The new guys need inspiration and a point in the right direction, not the democratization of all beach knowledge.
B.S. buddy...I'm still waiting to pry you out one of these days....Who else would have started this journey and now my own trying those poppers on every river I hit...
That and the fact that you've forgotten more then I'll probably ever know...
p.s. I still don't know where the hell these guys are talking about...bawling:
First of all, you mentioned Normandy Beach. If you're a D-Day Veteran, then first let me thank you on behalf of myself and my family for the sacrifices and hell you endured to protect our freedoms. There is no way I could ever repay the debt I owe you for that. As far as I'm concerned, you can fish anywhere, anytime you want. I would gladly relinquish any beach I'm fishing for you.
That being said, I live near one of the beaches you mentioned. I earned that hot spot, by studying the tides, observing the the fish and their feeding patterns, and negotiating with my neighbors for access.
My fear is, now that you've let it out on the WORLD WIDE WEB that it's a good spot on an ebb tide, the rest of the fly fishing community will come walking up the beach to fish in this small (1 or 2 person) hole, and my very accommodating neighbors may not appreciate the increased popularity of THEIR beach (it is a privately owned beach), and it may impact my accessibility. I agree with DimeBrite and others, help by teaching technique and tackle, but territory needs to be earned. I surely would not give up my treasured chantrelle picking grounds to just anyone, nor would I give up my deer and elk hunting grounds. I would however share what I've learned about how to be successful at hunting both to anyone interested.
The fun and excitement in this sport is learning the fish... their habitat and behavior. It's about more than just catching them.
Some of you guys talk to much. Roger is right on and tight lipped as he should be and you all should be. Don't tell me about thousands of miles of beach available to fish. You are full of sh_t! There are 114 miles of shoreline in Kitsap County. About 10 miles of it is public! Give me a break. I have fished cutthroat here before you were probably born. Mostly by myself on vacant beaches. I happened upon an old beach I use to fish about 2 years ago and found myself watching a frigging guide service with his client walking by. First time in 45 years! That was two years ago. I stopped out there with a friend about 4 months ago. There were 9 stinking fly fisherman on the beach! That's what being a "blabbermouth" on here is all about! Don't tell me there are no secrets. Bullsh_t!
Amen brother. There are only so many miles of beach with public access, and the private beaches that tolerate us will not continue to do so if things get overly crowded. Keep it secret, keep it safe. Share only with the proven blood brothers of the salt.
Hey DimeBrite, right on. Check out my new "signature". Thanks! :thumb:
Re Puget Sound guide services. This season I've seen one company in particular working the south sound and Kitsap areas a lot. However the funny thing is they consistently find the worst water on whichever beach they're fishing, their clients have never had a stripping basket and rarely a shooting head. What a waste of $425!
Buy a Gazeteer, full tank of gas and get out there. This is half the fun of it! I guarantee you that if all you do is ask questions online you're missing a lot of fun and will fail to learn about a lot of good water.
But Chester, you're one of the really sane people who enjoy this site. We all have our favorite spots and I have met a certain "older" flyfisher who speaks glowingly about his private fishiong spots. He talks about the fish he catches and the frequency he goes but he always ends his conversation with me with, " but I don't know you well enough yet to take you with me."" It doesn't bother me because I have some "private" fishing spots too and I don't give anything but generalities either. I often talk about spots I would never fish just to throw others off a bit. Fish move and to be a good fisherman, you have to learn the movements. It's just a big dance, right?
A brotherhood is fine if that is what you want. I spent my pre-kid years hiking up and down beaches, fishing toward beaches from my boat and getting tidbits of guarded information (probably mostly crap to lead me away from where guys like to fish themselves). I've been given info from guys about the best spots even though I just observed them fishing in totally different places and catching fish. These brothers did not take well to being asked questions. If I followed all of their "advice" I likely would never have caught any fish from the salt water at all. I do not know much. I've never been taken to anyone's secret waters. I've also never lied outright to lead someone in the wrong direction despite their eagerness to put in the work. I have passed and spoken to many fly anglers during my mere eight seaons fishing the beach. There is a fair number of them who heard me clearly but pretended that I was not there, would not speak, greet or even tell me to STFU. If that is your brotherhood then let it rest with you as you take it to your grave. If your brotherhood is one of sharing tales, trading flies, giving tips and exchanging information then I'm down with that brotherhood for sure. WFF where fly anglers can come and share information.
Atleast this post is allowing me to see who i will never take fishing nor share info with. I have been too trusting in the past with people that i thought were friends and honorable, and have been burned by it. It wont happen again. There are a finite number of great cutthroat spots and I'll be damned if I'm going to give up those areas to just anybody, and especially not everybody on the internet.
And while i could point people to several other spots that i never fish, i could be pointing them to someone elses spot that they have worked hard to figure out. I;m not going to give up that guy's places just like i wont give up my own. Spots are too precious to be disrespected.
The brotherhood is not thinking "what can I get out of this guy who is nailing fish on the beach everytime I see him". It's about making friends, exchanging stories & flies, and providing pointers for those who are getting started. When I fish our beaches I "know" almost everyone out there. I don't know them by name necessarily, rather I have been where they are or I am trying to reach their level of skill. It is the journey not the destination that we are sharing out there.