Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by msteudel, Dec 11, 2007.
Hardy is absolutely the best click and pawl out there, bar none. And I have had them all. Its like music, to hear a steely run with that line. The last steely I had was on a hardy lightweight, and no the drag didn't hold. But it was awsum. And yes I landed it.
For perspective, let's classify fish into two categories: those we normally measure in inches, and those we normally measure in pounds.
Trout are definitely in the first category. As a boy, I developed a lifetime goal to catch a trout of over five pounds. I haven't done it yet (although a 22.5-incher from a B.C. lake may have come close). Even a good-sized trout weighs less than a cat. We love trout because they're living jewels, not because they're big enough to give us a physical contest. And for trout and most other fresh-water fish, click-and-pawl reels are entirely reliable. Disc drags are pointless for such fish, and for the smaller reels for light lines, they're rediculous. C&P reels have the minor virtue of mechanical simplicity and the major virtue of a sound that delights the senses and lives in the memory. I have Orvis CFO click-and-pawl reels in four sizes, plus a smaller Hardy. They've served me with utter satisfaction for half a lifetime.
I also trust a brick-weight Young 1540 for the 20-lb.-plus Skagit steelhead I hope to meet someday. It has strong c&p plus rim control.
However, a handsome Young Beaudex was retired from spey fishing after one season, after a chum salmon ripped off 200 yards of backing before breaking off. The reel's single pawl and lack of rim control left me with a blistered finger or two.
The Pflueger Medalist's drag is a caliper-regulated disc, not as strong as modern disc drags, but adequate for most things, as many an angler can testify. Remember photos of Ted Williams, who could have afforded his weight in Vom Hofes, with a battered Medalist on his salmon rod? Add a rim control, as with the 1500 series, and you have the angling equivalent of a .375 H & H Magnum: not quite an elephant slayer, but a thumper for anything else.
jeeezaass Kent, good one there. really
Yeah, I can see the price of used Hardy's on eBay going up by 10%-15% this spring just as a result of this thread
ok Kent you sold me I'm looking for a hardy now.
Nice reel! Very nice explanation as well!!:thumb:
I think the Lamson ULA-P is some sort of a click pawl variation... can't find a photo of the guts though.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Hardy to reintroduce the Marquis. Rumors about what Hardy may or may not do are rampant on the internet.
It doesn't seem to fit with the direction that Hardy is going with their product line these days. Even if they did bring it back it would be different. Currently only reels in the Hardy Classic Series (Lightweight, Bougle' and Cascapedia) are still made in England. The rest are all outsourced to Korea. Soon it may only be the Cascapedia that is made in England. The decision to outsource was a matter of survival.
On another note, the Abel Creek is still a click drag.
Without trying too hard, if you dig around can find at least a dozen current reels that are still click pawl reels but you won't find many in your typical flyfishing shop.
Ok getting lost in all the replies, but a couple of questions:
1. Are all hardy reels CP?
2. What is the model that you would recommend and what are the price ranges, say sub 100 and over 100 dollars.
Off of their web site they look like expensive reels.
Click and pawl is nothing more than a retarded, or should I say semi-literate,expression for a spring and pawl reel. The pawl presses against the gear wheel on the spool, producing the "clicking" sound which has caused multitudes of internet fly fishermen to begin using the flat out wrong term of "click and pawl" reel because they apparently don't know WTF they're talking about. The spring provides tension against the pawl, which produces the resistance against the gear wheel preventing reel spool over-run. Almost sorry for being an A-hole about this, but geez, call something by its name already. It's not like it's hard or something.
Not all Hardys are spring and pawl, but most are.
They're all over $100, and the model I'd recommend depends on what line weight you're fishing, and what you're fishing for, and if you reel right handed.
There are tons of very nice Hardy reels available in the $100-$200 price range. If you're looking for a trout reel, a Marquis would be a good choice to start with. Can be set up for either left-hand or right-hand retrieve. A Marquis 6 would be sized about right for a 5-wt.; a Marquis 7 is about right for a 6-wt.
I've been fishing a St. Aiden for steelhead for 20+ years and it hasn't failed me yet, and my little Marquis 5 has been with me for nearly as long. I've also got a Ross Colorado 2 that is really a delight to fish. Those can be found for around $100+ as well, and would match a 4-wt. or 5-wt. just fine.
I've been a mission the last year or so to replace my disk drag reels with click/pawl types. Good deals can be found if you're patient and search hard. Some examples of good deals I've picked up lately:
Marquis #7, very nice condition: $150
Marquis Salmon #1, also very nice: $160
St. John with spare spool, v. good: $180
JW Young Landex wide drum, nearly new cond.: $130
The reels will hold (or increase) their value over time, unlike nearly every modern reel being marketed today.
Here's a little reel (and fish) porn for you:
Marquis #5 on a 3-wt.
Marquis #7 on a 6-wt.
Marquis Salmon #1
JW Young 4-inch wide-drum Landex destined for a spey rod:
Good luck if you decide to take a chance on one. They're a blast to fish, plus they'll annoy your partners when fish make 'em scream.
MikeT, great looking pics!!!!
You are a true Hardy junkie!