What grain to use?

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  1. Brook hunter

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    I have never used “grain” lines before. I am heading to Guam and wondering if I can get some information about grain weight stuff. I was planning to bring my 8wt to try off beaches and some drop offs and such. Any idea what grain may cast well on a Cabelas stowaway 6 piece? And what grain to use to sink fast in deep water? How fast in ips will different grains sink? I’ve only ever really used floating, sink tip, and a rio full sink 6ips or so.
     
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    I don’t know the rod you’ll be using, but for most 8 wts you’ll want to be in the 300g range in my opinion.
    That would be for a integrated shooting head type line.

    If you look at line specs for specific line models, you’ll find they are the same grain head weight whether they are a floating or type 7 full sink.
    SF
     
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    8 is about 210 grains. Depending on the rod and the caster, maybe 200 to 250. Most of the lines listed by grins that I've seen and used had the sink rate on the box/spool. It could be 225 grains, but a floater...so it casts by loading the rod but stays on top.

    6 is about 160 grains. Unsure about the rod action and caster, again. Maybe 150 to 180?
     
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    If SF says 300, do that. I've seen him cast off the beach...really efficiently and FAR.
     
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    I plan to use my 8wt Cabelas stowaway 6 piece rod. Can you give me some specific 300 grain line brand and models you recommend? What exactly is an integrated shooting head?
     
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    So for a sinking line is may say something like 300 grains sinking?
     
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    What I meant is I've never fished the rod you have, so I'm not familiar with its action. I'm not sure if is fast, medium fast?
    I don't have any specific line suggestions other then to make sure you get one with a coating for warm tropical saltwater.
    A integrated shooting head line generally has a 30-35' head that is connected to the running line without loops.
    Examples of integrated shooting head lines are the Airflo 40+ and Rio Outbound.
    The advantage to these types of lines is they require few backcasts.
    Basically get the head out of the rod tip, aim high and let it fly.
    Enjoy your trip.
    SF
     
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    Thanks for all the information. I hate being such a newbie. Lol. Does the running line also sink or is it just the shooting head?

    PS. My rod is medium fast action. Not sure if that changes much for grains.
     
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    Generally the running line sinks as well.

    My best advice is to visit your local shop with your rod and reel and tell them your plans.
    They should be able to give you advise on selecting a line.
    SF
     
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    Number Designation

    Standard Weight

    Margin For Error

    1-Weight

    60

    54-66

    2-Weight

    80

    74-86

    3-Weight

    100

    94-106

    4-Weight

    120

    114-126

    5-Weight

    140

    134-146

    6-Weight

    160

    152-168

    7-Weight

    185

    177-193

    8-Weight

    210

    202-218

    9-Weight

    240

    230-250

    10-Weight

    280

    270-290

    11-Weight

    330

    318-342

    12-Weight

    380

    368-392

    13-Weight

    450

    14-Weight

    500

    15-Weight

    550





    Read more: http://www.flyfisherman.com/blogs/fly-line-wt-grain-chart/#ixzz50DEGV55C
     
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    Yes. Fast sink, sink, intermediate sink, hover, etc...with sink rate inches per second listed.
     
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    Hi: Given your level of expertise, follow the advice Stonefish gave you regarding take your rod/reel to your local flyshop and get it set up properly.

    All Cabelas 8-weight rods will in theory match a recommended fly line weight of only 210 grains (8-weight) , which is lighter than 300 grains. But you don’t need to stick to that exact weight. Some will up-line by one to an average of 250 grains but you really need to try this stuff out before you go! n.b. Tropical lines will be “springy” in our weather, but be sure to have one. You can test cast “cold water lines”, but they will perform poorly in warm salt water.

    N.b. And to really confuse things, most N.A. manufacturers have standardized the weights above to the first 30 feet of single-handed lines. While

    Do you have a salt water capable reel? Backing? You really need to go to a good fly shop and talk to a clerk with experience.
     
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    Great thank you.
     
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    Thanks.
     
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    Thanks for the additional info. What is n.b. and n.a.? And yes, I have a salt water reel, plenty of backing and capacity, and an extra spool I intend to bring. :)
     

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