NFR What if you owned the cruise line??

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Rob Allen, Feb 14, 2013.

  1. Alex MacDonald

    Alex MacDonald Dr. of Doomology

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    How are you going to accomplish this, Rob? Some of the other guys have already answered this transfer issue regarding power loss. It can't be done. The only- ONLY way off a vessel like this once she's at sea, is to jump, lower one of the boats, or helo. It's not possible to helo off that many people with a stokes litter and a winch, nor is it possible to ferry them over to another vessel with a bosun's chair, one at a time. Resupply while under way is very dangerous and difficult even with a well-trained crew. Hell, I've been involved in that little exercise myself while in the service, and while your sentiments are nice, they simply aren't possible. Life throws shit at you, and sometimes you don't get your way, regardless of any "profit". Especially given the litigateous nature of American society, if they were stupid enough to attempt to try it, and had ONE accident, the company would be sued into oblivion by the end of the week. And I haven't heard of anybody perfecting the transporter, yet. It's not an "expense" issue, but a safety issue, running completely counter to the SOLAS (Safety of Life at Sea) regulations. Recall that idiot captain of the Italian cruise ship who abandoned his charge after she hit a rock last year? It's a wonder he wasn't taken out and hanged. As a captain myself, I have the absolute obligation to ensure the safety of my passengers before I even begin to think about any crew. Offloading that many passengers at sea would be way past the top end of my danger meter!

    What you have here is a city's worth of spoiled little piss-ants, bitching about the smell, and the fact that their champagne isn't chilled. Get real! What you don't understand is the fact that those monsters are completely at the mercy of the wind, with so much superstructure-what we call "top hamper" They go where the wind takes them, and it's almost always windy at sea. Let's see how much they change the whine if the ship drifted onto a reef, or the fire caused an explosion which blew a hole in her side, below the waterline. That's an emergency; an overflowing head isn't.

    One of you mentioned-tongue in cheek-that they should have just flown a new engine out, pulled out the old one, and fired her back up. Well, this is partly possible-the replacement, I mean. I've actually seen it done once. The crew working the replacement had to pull out the supertorches, and cut a hole in the side of the ship, put the old engine on a sliding block system, and crane it out. The hole they cut was the size of a semi. Took `em a couple of weeks to pull it off, too!
     
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  2. Alex MacDonald

    Alex MacDonald Dr. of Doomology

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    Hey Boot, You gotta admit, the mercury treatment did cure the syphilis, though: dying usually does ease those symptoms:D
     
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    Now THAT is something I'd like to see! Sounds incredible.

    Definitely agreed that a bunch of free range brown trout isn't a disaster, but it is dangerously close to becoming one.
     
  4. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    Don't you people have better things to do than rag on something you have no control on. I ought to put all of you on my ignore list. What a bunch of drivel.
     
  5. Alex MacDonald

    Alex MacDonald Dr. of Doomology

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    You know, Jim, you could just ignore the entire forum. Besides, what the hell are you doing reading it now?? Why aren't you out fishing or looking for some other trouble to get into?:D
     
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    rainbow My name is Mark Oberg

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    Wasen't it a power failer to start the engine's. Could they have had a deisal generator brought aboard to take care of the basic's. Maybe start one of the engine's.
     
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    I read that the fire caused the engine failure, hard to start engines with burnt up wiring .
     
  8. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    I'm an old man and I do this to keep myself sane. I should of gone out today but something kept me to home. The weather got into the mid 40's and no wind. But I stayed home.

    So hows your fishing doing???????????
     
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    bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

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    Well on the cruise ship I ran, we just used a 5 gallon bucket for sanitational needs!!!! But these rich folks just keep shitting in a toilet until it runs into their shoes. Makes me wonder about if there is any truth to evolution, these folks are about as dumb as they come " shitting in your own nest"
     
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    Sorry Rob, take offense if you must, but your full passenger offload idea is ridiculous. Has a single life been lost during this event? One of the first fundamentals in emergency management, which I know a thing or two about, is affecting change on the incident. By your actions you can make things better, have no affect or make things worse. Throw a world of resources, since you apparently have them, at this situation and the risk you suggest adding may well have ended in tradgedy. Accept only acceptable risk and mitigate all possible risk when possible. Just my free assessment, worth what was paid.
     
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    I am not offended at all.. And all i am saying is that if I owned the cruise line ( regardless of which one it is) I would treat my customers better than those people are getting treated. I am not an expert in anything nautical but I bet there are people out there who have a lot more experience than everyone who has ever seen this website and those people wold be at work making my cruise line better than a slow tow on a stinky ship to a stupid port in Mobile...

    If I were a guest on this particular ship I would be expecting a full cash reimbursement , an all expense paid high class trip to my front door. I don't think it unreasonable that the cruise line do that for each one of the passengers.

    again if it were my business these people would not have had to endure what they were forced to.

    I guess most people just don't think of their customers as valuable anymore...
     
  12. Go Fish

    Go Fish Language, its a virus

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    It's a cruise shit with
    brown trout running.

    Bingo? I just want some
    TP.

    Off loading the people is as Ed
    said a stupid and dangerous idea.

    Have you seen the 400 pound people
    that line up for the all you can consume buffet?

    At least they will have memories.

    I had clams.

    Dave
     
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  13. Alex MacDonald

    Alex MacDonald Dr. of Doomology

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    I'm still trying to squeeze out a few more days on my skis before it all melts. Warm days-well, into the upper 40's anyway. nights freeze still though. We're still ice fishing, with about a foot on Fish Lake here. I'm the only guy without a russkie accent on the ice, at least until the bastards catch all the fish and go home.
     
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    bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

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    They signed up for a cruise & got an adventure for no extra money. No doubt the media has overdramatize this event some. I'm guessing having to drink all that free luke warm beer was about the worst part of the whole ordeal in all reality
     
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  15. Alex MacDonald

    Alex MacDonald Dr. of Doomology

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    Rob, I can't fault your desire to make things better, and I truly pray that this sort of thing would be the worst thing you ever have to endure. if you really want to learn more about SOLAS it's easy to find the data. I would encourage you to do so. There are several of us on the forum who have quite a bit of experience afloat, both in working vessels and pleasure craft, as crew; some are highly qualified captains in their own right. A few of us have been at sea for a total of several years, including myself. We're telling you simply that what you initially would have tried would have most likely resulted in tragedy-the very thing you're trying to avoid. I'm not talking about once the ship made port in Mobile, but while she was adrift at sea.

    You do raise a good point, though. How to offload that many passengers from a vessel adrift; certainly there's plenty of room for research and development of a system. Don't think for a second that putting 4500 people into life rafts to be picked up by another ship would be an option, though. That many people, you're going to have a fatality in the mix somewhere.
     
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