What is it that puts flyfishermen off about using a kayak for a fishing platform?

Discussion in 'Watercraft' started by Krusty, Oct 21, 2011.

  1. DennisE

    DennisE Topwater and tying.

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    Mine's a sit-in, so I have the space. I have spare 2 pc paddles, so I bring half of one for positioning/trolling work. I leave my long paddle leashed and clipped to the side of the cockpit once I'm onsite and until I want to really move.
     
  2. LCnSac

    LCnSac John or "LC"

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    For the same money you can get a frameless inflatable pontoon that easily fits into a duffle that will fit in any trunk. Would that not satisfy your needs?

    They are much drier than a SOT kayak. Even during the winter you only need to wear whippers or a cheap pair of wading pants.
     
  3. Freestone

    Freestone Not to be confused with freestoneangler

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    If you really are going to use the boat mainly in a river, then I would recommend a watercraft that has no floor in the front so you can: 1. make quick stops to fish by sliding off the seat and fishing with the boat still around you and then hop back on when done. 2. use fins to control the boat when possible, leaving both hands free to cast and fish as you float downstream (use common sence on rivers that are safe for this).

    A number of watercraft allow you to do this and will also pack into a small bag suitable for the closet and trunk of you car. Check out: WaterMaster Kodiak and Grizzly Rafts, WaterStrider rafts, Scadden Assaults (and a few U models) and last but not least, the Outcast Commander, a watercraft that can either be paddle like a kayak or rowed using the built-in oars. (it is awesome by the way!) Any of these boats will also allow you to fish lakes and use fins, a real plus on small and medium-sized lakes. As someone who has lots of watercraft, I would only recommend going with a kayak if you expect to be on big bodies of water and will be paddling large distances but that is personal preference.

    As for wading in a drysuit, there is no reason why you couldn't and I have done it. Things to keep in mind: 1. They can be alot more expensive than waders 2. The material is not meant to be exposed to the kind of abuse/conditions that waders are and is therefore not as durable as the top end waders 3. the feet are fabric, not neoprene so you will need to wear neo socks for warmth and to protect the fabric feet 4. be sure to get one with a fabric flap over the zipper as it will chew up your fly line in a hurry. 5. I'd recommend that you spring for one with a relief zipper so you don't have to peel it off when nature calls. 6. check out the semi-dry 'paddling suits'; they have a neoprene neck that is more comfortable than latex and should be dry enough for fishing (vs whitewater) use. Finally, the good part about a drysuit is if there is a good hole across the river, you can just swin to it!
     
  4. underachiever

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    Wow, thanks for the advice LCnSac/Freestone. I've also considered a frameless pontoon as well. I have 0 experience with these kinds of things and I'm still at the point where I "don't know what I don't know". The outcast commander is intriguing, as is the NRS gigbob which looks to be discontinued and on sale.
     
  5. LCnSac

    LCnSac John or "LC"

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    I would try to look at those mentioned, and not having a full floor is critical for the reason stated. I have a 9' Scadden Renegade and routinely stop in the river, stand up, cast a few times, and move on. I don't even take off my fins if I'm not getting out of the toon. When I say "look" I mean mostly online because with the exception of the Outcast and ODC you'll have a hard time finding any new at dealers. I bought mine based on dozens of online posts and I found them to be highly accurate.

    Watch the weight. That's one big advantage of the frameless. ODC also has one now for $600. http://creekcompany.com/product.php?productid=16318 Mine weighs the same, 28 lbs., and that's very manageable for portage, loaded with gear. Much more would not be for me.

    Scadden, NRS, Outcast, Watermaster/Strider are all top quality for stillwater and moving water through Class III. Google each--there are plenty of discussions on here and North American Fly Fishing. You will usually find that those of us that own the craft reviewed think ours is the best so take that into consideration. I think you'll find those that have the Watermaster find them much slower than some because of the lack of rocker, but you'll find no complaints about quality.

    Based on what you've said, I think this is the design on which you should focus. It sounds perfect for your needs. Works perfectly for mine, I will say that.

    Also, I'd plan on buying new. This is a thin market and you won't see many for resale, but they are out there on occasion. The Scadden resale is stupidly high so I'd definitely buy that new--others except ODC are probably similar.

    If you want to compromise pricing and trade for more weight and a little more bulk, you can look at an 8' Outcast Fishcat for $600 and you can find those used too, along with Bucks Bags pontoons. Both are excellent, but performance on both flatwater and moving water won't be as good as a 'toon with a U-shape. http://www.outcastboats.com/outcast/products/default.aspx?id=26
     
  6. Bradley Miller

    Bradley Miller Dances with fish

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    I am busy setting up my newish yak the way I want; but FYI, for those that may be thinking of getting set up for yak fishing, the current issue of Canoe&Kayak Magazine has a freaking slew of boats with specs and prices and comparisons. Worth looking at if you're shopping.
    Me? Bought sonar today, installing tomorrow. Setting up one rod for floating line, one for intermediate. Between casting, paddling, navigating, photographing, and sonar sensing, I'm sure it'll be a busy day next time out. Cheers.
     
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  7. Krusty

    Krusty Krusty Old Effer

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    Sorry I didn't get back to you about your question....haven't been following the thread lately. See you've now got a good boat and are well on your way!

    I fish from an Emotion Mojo Angler...a 12' 5" SOT. I used to fish from a 10' SIK, and found it far more difficult to fish from...hard to get at gear, trickier to get in and out of, and tippy when I was reaching for stuff.

    For cold weather (and I've been out on local lakes in eastern Washington in December) I wear 5 mm neoprene chest waders, and suitable poly tops under a dry top. A waist belt or two snugly cinched down on your chest waders is an ABSOLUTE necessity....no, you're not going to succumb to the old myth of sinking, but you have to keep most of that cold water out of the waders. A good PFD is also, of course, a must.

    I don't have a fish finder aboard, though I've toyed with the idea...it just seems I carry enough crap in the boat as it is. Maybe someday.

    I also carry a small Cabelas telescoping emergency paddle...kept by my right leg in the cockpit....I use it as a hand paddle for positioning the boat when I'm on a drift. Sometimes I'll anchor....one of those little spring loaded cam cleats (from West Marine) works well for easily fixing or releasing an anchor line. In a curent you'll want some sort of anchor trolley so you can properly orient the kayak relative to current.

    I attach most of my gear to the boat (paddle leashes, etc) but I can't stand casting with a leash....so when I sit the rod down, it always goes in the Scotty rod holder mounted on the console in front of me.

    Get a decent kayaker's sheaf knife to wear on your PFD. A kayaker's knife generally has a square blunt point, and serrated edge, so you can cut yourself loose of all the crap that you could be tangled up with if you capsize without stabbing yourself....kayak fishermen have drowned due to entanglement.

    Have a great time fishing from your new yak...hope you enjoy it as much as I do...being able to get into places other boats can't....fast, maneuverable, and stealthy!
     
  8. Bradley Miller

    Bradley Miller Dances with fish

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    Great suggestions; all.Thanks.
    Here is where I'm at....
    Actually did buy a nice little sharp pointed dive type knife, which is now clipped to
    my PFD. Check.
    Dusted off an older GPS I had laying around, now affixed to the center console.
    I like seeing rate of speed, distance traveled, that sort of thing.....so it's more fun than practical I guess.
    I am kind a gear addict, but I hate clutter too......so if I can't get it rigged efficiently and cleanly, I'm not putting it on. I've been playing with various methods of hauling all the crap around and still keep it neat and accessible, most of which is now finished.
    Took me a while to get my 'crate' set up, but I think I'm about ready for expedition number three. Oh, and I HAD to pick up a jolly roger flag for the back. Couldn't resist.
    Dusted off an old marine VHF radio I had purchased to listen to boat traffic. I'm paddling in salt water right now, so I figured it couldn't hurt.
    The little boat I bought has an anchor trolly; check!
    I was thinking of getting one of those stake out poles.....I hope to spend a lot of time in estuaries, and that looks like a good way to anchor in shallow water. Still thinking about that one.
    Going to hold off on the extra paddle for now.....I hope I don't regret it. I've got my paddle leashed, and it floats....I hope I am assessing the risk of serious inconvenience (or worse) correctly.
    I'm not happy with my mounting options for the fish finder. Workspace is at such a premium on this little yak that I mounted it on the top behind the front hatch where I see lots of photos of people mounting them but.......it seems quite vulnerable to me up there. Still thinking about that one too.
    I haven't found anything that sticks to this kayak. I bought super duper 3M adhesive mounting tape, velcro, blah blah blah, and nothing sticks. Except pure silicone.
    There must be something!
    I hope to have it in the water tomorrow. I'll post a pic. :)
     
  9. Bradley Miller

    Bradley Miller Dances with fish

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    Krusty......

    One more thing. (for now)

    From the looks of the statistics, this thread has been of a lot of interest to a lot of people.....How fun would it be to have a kayak-angler get together? Fish a little, have a tailgate party, check out the rigging setups on everyone else's boats?
    Party on the beach!
     
  10. Krusty

    Krusty Krusty Old Effer

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    About the only way to mount anything on a poly boat is to drill holes for threaded stainless bolts and nylock nuts (if you can access the inside) or drill a small pilot hole and thread a stainless screw into the deck or cockpit hull....either way use silicone for a sure seal.
     
  11. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    Bradley, if you propose an outing I bet some would come.
     
  12. Clay Carney

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    I think a kayak fishing outing would be cool, I'm in.