what is the difference? spey rod/ european rod

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by willapabay, Oct 20, 2005.

  1. speyghillie

    speyghillie speyghillie

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    Hi Guys,
    Been following this tread for a while, all i can say is beware the marketing guy's, for me there are different types of rod actions, its not really a traditional/ european, thing.
    Alot of companies will market double handed rods for this and for that, its good marketing, thats all.
    I can think of a couple of companies that in the past have made really good speycasting rods and then went on to make some horrible rods, if you can get to try out a few different rods, find the one that suits your style and one you like, regardless of marketing, go fish and enjoy.
    I probable get the chance to try out twenty to thirty rods a season (perk of the job, working on the Spey) , still seem to go back to my own one.
    Go along to a speyclave if you can, pick the one you like , forget the marketing, i never see a loop or loomis rod on the Spey, i'm sure there rods are fine its just they are not marketed over here.
    I also see that alot of the rod companies in the US call there rods Highlander , or something like that,.....more marketing.
    Gordon Macleod.(speyghillie).
     
  2. Banzai

    Banzai FFing and VWs...Bugs & Bugs

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    :eek: Sorry Tom, my bad.:eek:
     
  3. Brian St

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    Very well said Gordan!! Highlander rods in the U.S, that is interesting I think I have heard of them before. Will have to try one when I get the chance:cool:

    Brian Styskal
     
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    Hi Gordon

    I agree with most of your post apart from one thing,"Highlander"one of the best rods I have, apart from my own Carron rod obviously has this label on it.I was at Spey-o-Rama in San Fran Sisco and I went up to this booth and picked up 2 rods with this label on them one 14 ft and one 15 ft
    I asked the big guy on the booth if I could put my reels and lines on them to try them,"No problem",the big guy says and BTW he looked more of a "Highlander" than me and you put together with his big Santa Clause like beard and built like a brick shit house, he maybe named the rod after himself, Bob Meiser was his name,I will always remember it,because after trying the rods I was amazed!! So much so that Jimmy bought the two of them,Gordon Armstrong now being the proud owner of one of them and he swears by it.
    It throws the whole US vs European theory out of the window,this was a US rod builder designing and building a rod that suited Gordon and myself both Europeans:rolleyes:
    So this proves your point about going to a Speyclave Gordon, and trying any rod you wish matched up with the line of your choice and who knows what you might come home with.
    Maybe the difference between Speyrod and European is just the terminology,because I couldnt find much difference.


    James Chalmers
     
  5. Prettyfly

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    hehe.. did you ask him if he was indeed a highlander? His wife is irish anyway.. there are ties to UK to take note of... could that explain why his rods are so liked over there? Almost justifies the rod's name anyway.

    Is it just my observation or is there a tie between those rod builders/ spey masters (?) who consider themselves north american but do indeed have roots in the UK? I have yet to read of someone who isn't directly from the UK or has direct ties to, that is sited as being the 'grandfather' of north american spey casting or that makes quality spey gear that those in the UK will give a thumbs up to. The rest of it just seems to be clever marketing skills. Sometimes it seems that people will buy into the 'north american made' and would rather not give credit where it is due just for the sake of it being made here and wanting to be the hub of 'spey action'.. and if that's the case, the whole spey thing should just be taken right out because everyone should know what spey actually refers to. Creates confusion and constant debate.

    But then.. I don't know a whole lot yet.. I'm just trying to connect the dots lmao.
     
  6. speyghillie

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    Hi James,
    Heard nothing but good things about Bob Meisers rods, Gordon has said its a brilliant rod, thats good enough for me, its just that some of the companies use names that can be confusing to people getting into Speycasting.
    Loomis have a greased line spey rod (traditional style), that states that the traditional style of speycasting maintains a relatively fixed length of line, leaving you less tired and more focused on your prize. (better get that one).Not sure about the greased line though.
    Or should i go for there Roaring river (Scandinavian style) that will generate high line speed, with a much faster shorter stroke, (damn which one.)
    Well there is always the Sage European, that says that i will spend more time fishing effectively and less time stripping in line, false casting and snagging streamside bushes. (o thats the one for me).
    Or if your doing that would you not be better getting a lesson.
    Now to get a line for my rod , think i will go with the cortland early season sylk line with a maintance free plastic coating to glide through the rings.
    I have nothing against any of the companies and i'm sure there fishing gear is good, i just love there marketing.:beathead:
    Gordon (speyghillie).
     
  7. tweedside

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    Thids is my first posting so here goes on a subject close to my heart.

    To me there are two current trends:
    1. Rods which work well with short head lines but are absolutly no use with long head lines. Yes you can Spey Cast with these.....BUT spey style fishing involves a lot more than simply casting a long way. It is a method of fishing a long line WITHOUT stripping in 30-40 feet of backing...you simply strip in enough to tauten the line and cast the whole head of say a Grand Spey Rio line + some backing when needed! This saves a LOT of time during a day and makes for far less frustration such as tangles, drowned shooting line etc.
    2. Rods which WILL lift a whole long head and allow you to fish in the Spey Style. MOST "Spey" rods will not do this!! Rods which will include Carron, CND Salar, David Norwich, Winston DBF & most longer B&W. I have all these-except for the Carron which just happens to do very very well in all Spey Casting events as well as being a first class fishig rod.
    Also hoping to get some other CND models.

    This SHOULD be the distinction between traditional (casts a long line) and European (casts what amounts to an advanced shooting head.) but as always the marketing guys have smeared the differences.

    Lastly, unless you are an expert spey caster on quite smooth water overhead casting is a far more sensible option than "spey" casting provided always that you have adequate room and can keep a long line up in the air.
     
  8. fredaevans

    fredaevans Active Member

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    WOW!!!!!


    Willie Gunn (Dr. Malcolm Newbold/retired Doc and now a Gillie), SpeyBum, et. al. on one thread. Guys you've got the BIG HITTERS HERE!; ZIP I'll try to add to this.iagree iagree iagree iagree

    I'm "good," but these guys are in a far better league than me.:ray1: