What is your 3wt setup?

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  1. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    Chad, did you get that 3wt and see the 10wt at the Silverdale Sportsmans? I noted that this store had both of those rods and an 8wt but all others were gone. I had an RS4 7wt and think it was a very nice rod.
     
  2. Brookie_Hunter

    Brookie_Hunter aka Dave Hoover

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    Just wondering if your set up is a little tip heavy. The RS4 is not a particularly light rod but the Click III is a superlight reel. It doesn't appear to be a pair that would balance well...just curious.


     
  3. Thomas Mitchell

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    A little heavy on the wallet but I built my 'dream rig' 3wt set up last year. It's a Burkheimer 389-4 with an Abel Super2 in platinum finish and an SA Sharkskin Ultimate Trout line. I'm looking forward to spending a lot of time with it up on the Forks this summer.
     
  4. Chad Lewis

    Chad Lewis NEVER wonder what to do with your free time

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    Sportsmans Warehouse in Burlington. I think their fly-fishing stuff gets picked over a lot slower than locations in the "big city". When I bought mine the price was down to $129, now they're $99!!!! That's an incredible price for that rod. Haven't been there in a few weeks; you might want to call to see what's left if you're interested. I think they at least had one of everything on display.


    Honestly, I'd have to check on it and see how it balances. I didn't worry about it that much because the whole setup is so light. But, your question did get me wondering if I could have bought smarter - meaning "better balanced". I just did some checking and decided that I'm probably happy. Here's why:

    My rod weights 2.97 oz., according to Reddington's website (they must have a kickass scale to get down the the hundredth of an ounce). The lightest rod I know of, the Orvis Helios checks in at 2 oz. for an 8'4". An equivalently priced Sage, the TXL, weighs in at 2 1/4 oz. for a 7'10" model. Taking a look at Sage's more moderately priced rods, weights come in at 2 11/16 and 3 1/16 for the Launch and VT2, respectively. So you're right, I'm at the upper end of weight for moderately priced 3 weights. After looking at a lot more rod weights on other sites, it seems like it takes about $500 more to save less than an ounce!!! Anyway, that was pretty much done to determine what the RS4 weighed compared to other rods.

    As for the balance of my rod and reel, I think it might work, even with the "heavier" rod. The reel is 2 1/2 oz., about 85% of the rod's weight. What I noticed right away when the backing and line went on was the big difference in the reel's weight. When the guy handed me the reel with the backing and line on, I remember hefting it and thinking "Where the hell did my lightweight reel go?" On heavier weight rods that doesn't mean as much, because the weight of the line and backing become a smaller percentage of the total package's weight. On my setup I'll guess that the line and backing weigh at least as much as the reel, probably more, making the loaded reel 50% or more of the setup's weight.

    That whole discussion brings up this question: If my rod/reel combo is balanced well, makes you wonder if it's possible to "properly" balance one of the ultralight Orvis or Sage rods? I mean, the Click series reels are about as light as you can get, and the lines don't come in lightweight versions.

    So where does it balance at? I don't know, I'm at work :rolleyes: I'm really curious about it though. I'm thinking now that I don't know something I should. Brookie, do you know any "rules of thumb" about balancing rods and reels? Anything like "rod weight = reel weight / line weight + backing - azimuth of Jupiter around Saturn". Seriously though, what would I be looking for when evaluating the setup's balance?
     
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    tonemike fish'n glass

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    i've got two that i really like.
    one's a diamondglass 7' 3/4wt, and abel creel 1 loaded with a TT3/4.
    and the other's a sage 389LL, and a lamson LP 1.5 lite (clicker) loaded with a DT3 quiet taper line.
    both set ups are really sweet IMO.
    -mike
     
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    I like my older Scott Powr Ply 8 1/2 ft 3 wt....with a Hardy Marquiss 4 reel and Wulff TT line. Love that Hardy song.
     
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    Mine's a Thomas & Thomas LPS 8'6" 3wt with an Islander IR1 spooled up with an SA Trout WF3F and a Lamson Litespeed 1 with a Stillwater intermediate.
     
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    I have a Winston BIIT 7'6" with a ross rythem #0 and cortland 444 DT4F, I built the rod last summer.
     
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    Fenwick World Class #1 Black/gold made in the USA. Iron feather 3/4wt 7'3".
     
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    When do and how often do you use a 3 weight.

    I had one once, and it just didn't get any use. My 4 weight was the tool that was much more appropriate for most of my light line fishing and conditions, and the 3 weight went to someone else who could use it.

    Just curious . . .
     
  11. Ed Call

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    Richard. When they are rising and the wind is not blowing I use the 3wt. I do mostly fish my 4wt and when weather is less than optimal I fish the 5wt. So far I've had some really fun fishing experiences, so very many. One such experience was using dries on that 3wt and landing quite a few mid sized eager risers. Just a conversation thread during a fishing lull.
     
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    Sage RPL 386 with a Tioga reel and a floater. The Little Naches loves this rod.
     
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    Oh, that would be almost 'never'. :thumb:
     
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    389ll-2 w/ cfo III for small creeks I switch to the 289ll:beer1:
     
  15. Brookie_Hunter

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    Chad, I also sent you a PM. A couple other thoughts....you could use a DT line and cut it in half and use 12lb micron backing to eliminate a little weight but in the end it would be little. This would be OK for small stream situations where you aren't casting more than 30-35ft nor expecting anything large that would make any kind of run on you. Most times you'd only consider such set up for a 2wt of lesser weight rod and/or where you're using a very small reel say 2 1/2" or smaller. I think Cortland also makes a short 45ft lightweight fly line of some kind as I saw something like that mentioned on another board recently. Also for the lightest 4wt/5wt rods out there, I think Orvis's new Helios Ion's are the lightest rods I've seen....both are barely over 1oz but they certainly aren't moderately priced. Lastly as I put in my PM to you, the balancing of a light/ultralight set up is less noticeable/problematic since it is so light, so this may be much to do about nothing. :ray1: