What is your favorite historic Sea-Run Cutthroat Fly?

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  1. Steve Rohrbach

    Steve Rohrbach Puget Sound Fly Fisher

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    A recent lacrosse trip to British Columbia allowed me to spend a couple of hours exploring the fly selection at several shops including Sea Run Fly & Tackle in Coquitlam. It was interesting to see the wide variety of small flies that dominate the beach fishing in BC. Flies like the Hurst Handlebar, size 8 Rolled Muddlers in 6 different colors and a wide variety of top water flies featuring deer hair.

    I went back to reread Fishing the Sea-Run Cutthroat Trout that Les Johnson first published in 1971. It also sent me back to some of my older fly boxes to examine tried and true patterns that have fallen into disuse. Old favorites like the Allard Orange and Allard Yellow emerged. I tied on an Allard Orange on a recent outting and found that it was very successful in landing some large Coastal Cutthroat. This morning Norm Norlander posted a tweet of him tying the Cutthroat Coachman. It made me wonder what other great old patterns should be brought back and fished in the coming year.

    I would love to hear what historic flies are used in your Coastal Cutthroat fishing.
     
  2. Roger Stephens

    Roger Stephens Active Member

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    Steve:

    The orginal "Fly Fishing for Pacific Salmon"(1985) by Ferguson, Johnson, and Trotter had a statement on page 71 by Bruce Ferguson: "If he had to confine himself to one fly only, this(Ferguson's Green and Silver) would be it, provided that he could have it in the full range of hook sizes." For many years that was my "go to" fly pattern when fly fishing on Puget Sound. However, over the last 15 years I have rarely used. It is now time to start using it again since it was extremely effective for sea-run cutthroat and salmon species!

    Roger
     
  3. speyflyfisher

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    I used to like fishing Roderick Haig Brown's silver brown in the salt and spruce fly streamers in the rivers.
     
  4. ganglyangler

    ganglyangler Bird Dogs and Fly Rods

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    I love the borden special and the good old mickey finn. There is something about fishing an old pattern that really makes it fun. Picked up a beater bamboo rod for fishing the salt with just that in mind. All of Haig Brown's flies are cool and I think I need to tie some up.
     
  5. Steve Rohrbach

    Steve Rohrbach Puget Sound Fly Fisher

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    Roger, with Bruce's passing I am going to add his Green and Silver back into my SRC box. It produced many of my first Coastal Cutthroat. Thanks for sharing. I also tied a bunch of Johnson's Beach Flies recently as it was one of my favorite patterns.

    Speyfisher, your post is spot on and it motivated me to pull out my treasured copy of Fly Patterns of Roderick Haig-Brown.

    Ganglyangler, the Mickey Finn is a go-to fly for most saltwater fly fishers in BC. I went back this summer and researched all of the historic Bucktail patterns and tied streamers using Fish Skulls and Fish Scales. One of the things that surprised me most was the number of flies with yellow as their main color. I also realized that I have not used red as much as they do in BC.
     
  6. Dale Dennis

    Dale Dennis Formally Double-D

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    I too was a Fergusons Green and Silver fan after reading Pats book and although I didn’t take all that many coastal cutts with it I do think it’s a great salt fly but rarely fish it anymore. I think back in the day when we had a fair amount of resident silvers it was a great producer for both.

    In my early days of searun fishing Hood Canal my go to fly was the Knudson Spider in all white (Ghost Spider) or the standard yellow or red body.
    Some of the old timers hear in the north sound still fish it exclusively and do very well. Although I still carry a few with me I find I don’t use them in the salt as much as I used too.
    Now in a river system a Knudson Spider variation is a hard one to beat.
     
  7. Preston

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    While I fish a variety of patterns for sea-run cutthroat in salt water, some of my fresh water favorites have been the Dead Chicken (my first large sea-run, a whisker under twenty inches, came to one) and the Knudson Spider, in the classic yellow and a couple of other colors. Mike Kinney introduced me to his Reverse Spider many years ago and, for a long time it was my go-to fly. Now, whenever the opportunity offers, I'm more likely to fish dries. The October caddis, cranefly and small Blue-winged olives are among my favorites.
     
  8. Steve Rohrbach

    Steve Rohrbach Puget Sound Fly Fisher

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    Preston, thanks for sharing some of your great flies. The first three are old friends but I admit I have not used the October Caddis. I share your love of fishing dries and the floating line is about all that I use lately in the salt. Happy holidays!
     
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    After spending 2 weeks this fall fishing the beaches in B. C. I agree yellow,and red were the two colors I found in most of the patterns that the locals were fishing. Most of the guys i talked to were tying their streamers with polar bear. Now I need to find some yellow polar bear fur, this stuff glows in the water.
     
  10. Brookie_Hunter

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    Spruce fly and Royal Coachman Bucktail
     
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    I've always caught a lot of SRC's on the Spruce fly, but if the Muddler Minnow counts as an historical fly, I'll add that one.
     
  12. Preston

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    While I rarely fish the Spruce fly, it certainly qualifies as a classic. It was developed in Oregon by the Godfrey brothers, Cap and Milo, and has been around since 1918. Re polar bear hair: I love the stuff and there is no other kind of hair that comes anywhere near it for translucence and the ability to hold and refract light. One of the best substitutes I've found is kid or goat hair but it is still far short of the real thing.
     
  13. SpeySpaz

    SpeySpaz still an authority on nothing

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    Queen of The Waters. On a 3x long hook
     
  14. Mark Mercer

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    I'll have too agree, in streams, the Spruce fly has netted me many, many cutt's (and bow's). I've been tying some with a gold body, instead of red floss, and has been fantastic in sizes #8 to #12, A true classic.
     
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    If I do not see active fish or bait moving I always start with a mickey finn, if there are fish there something will take a swipe at the red and yellow.