Whip Finish Incapable

Discussion in 'Fly Tying' started by freestoneangler, Apr 5, 2012.

  1. jessejames

    jessejames Flyslinger

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2004
    Messages:
    1,938
    Likes Received:
    432
    Location:
    Show Low, Arizona
    I make my students practice on a bare hook untile they master the whip finisher befor they get to tie their first fly. If they don't get it I flog them with a wet rabbit skin. Tere is no giving up because it is too hard. This is not a hobby for whiners.;)
     
  2. Olive bugger

    Olive bugger Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2009
    Messages:
    3,227
    Likes Received:
    719
    Location:
    Woodinville, WA
    Not the old wet rabbit skin punishment. Do you lash them to a fly rod and rip the shirt off their back, like in the movies?
    :eek:
     
  3. dfl

    dfl Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2010
    Messages:
    343
    Likes Received:
    184
    Location:
    Sequim WA
    Whatever works for you is the way to go. It doesn't matter and no one cares.
     
  4. Marc Stelting

    Marc Stelting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2007
    Messages:
    61
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    NW Wash.
    Freestoneangler- I am with you. I have fought it for years and finally decided to hell with it- yes, bad atitude. Maybe one of these days I will head over to jesse's for a class and learn. I do same about the half hitches and some gookumpucky, and good to go. It has worked for 25 years, but no excuses.
     
  5. jessejames

    jessejames Flyslinger

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2004
    Messages:
    1,938
    Likes Received:
    432
    Location:
    Show Low, Arizona
    I will fess up now. The whip finish tool for many is hard to learn. I use all three methods as needed; the whip finish tool, whip finishing with my fingers and the half hitch method. I think the tool works best for most tyers if they learn it early. It is hard to learn from watching video. I teach students by having them stand behind me then working with thm until they get it. I really do make them practice on a bare hook until they are comfortable with the tool before we move on to tying. The other thing is the choice of tools there simply are some that are easier to teach than others.
     
  6. Blake Harmon

    Blake Harmon Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2009
    Messages:
    1,107
    Likes Received:
    273
    Location:
    Spokane, Washington
    Who needs a stinkin tool!
     
  7. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

    Joined:
    May 6, 2008
    Messages:
    4,171
    Likes Received:
    1,678
    Location:
    Moses Lake, WA
    Well.... if a person can chew gum and wave a fly rod at the same time, they should be able to use a whip finisher.

    But if the person is winding the thread in the opposite direction it doesn't matter how much gum they can chew. It's about impossible.
     
  8. Jack Devlin

    Jack Devlin Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2011
    Messages:
    1,459
    Likes Received:
    1,392
    Location:
    Western Washington, Puget Sound area
    Have you heard the one about the tourist in New York City who approached a New York City Policeman and asked "how do I get to Carnegie Hall"? The Officer answered, "Practice, practice, practice."
    Jackd
     
  9. Top in my class

    Top in my class Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2010
    Messages:
    277
    Likes Received:
    22
    Location:
    washington, Spanaway
    Youtube. their are some great videos on there and very easy to learn. (that whip finish tool in the video is very big)
    good luck
     
  10. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2006
    Messages:
    7,642
    Likes Received:
    2,657
    Location:
    Ruby Valley, MT
    Excellent and so simple. The problem is that he is winding his thread the wrong way...what's with that? :eek:

    Honestly, one of the reasons I simply use a simple half-hitch is that I find it easier to lock down my last turn while also keeping hackle fibers and or deer hair from getting loose. I have used that same tool and can make it work, but it just seems awkward to me. So, it finds itself at the bottom of some box rarely seeing the light of day.
     
  11. Jack Devlin

    Jack Devlin Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2011
    Messages:
    1,459
    Likes Received:
    1,392
    Location:
    Western Washington, Puget Sound area
  12. robl

    robl Member

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2005
    Messages:
    432
    Likes Received:
    22
    Location:
    Richland WA
    I use four different types of whip finishers for different situations. Matarelli for most flies, large matarelli for flies with bead heads, thompson on hackled flies, and tiemco on a few patterns. They all take practice and a good teacher to learn how to use.

    Keep at it. I think it makes a difference and you'll notice that your flies are more durable.
     
  13. Silvertone

    Silvertone New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2011
    Messages:
    15
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    Warren Cty,NJ
  14. Drifter

    Drifter Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2011
    Messages:
    1,849
    Likes Received:
    903
    Being an old tier I'm with dryflylarry - who cares!

    Just another tool to look for and loose under all the other crap on my tying table. Its hard enough finding my needle for glue half the time. I say just tie flies that work so you don't have to tie 100 flies or need to speed tie and need a whip finish tool. By the time I pick up another tool and get it ready for the whip I could be done with half hitches. Besides I now half hitch at the back and middle of the hook or before putting more material on like wings or bead heads and the such. MY knot tool is letting my forefinger and thumb nail grow. Its hard to teach old dogs new tricks but impossible if they don't want to learn in the first place.

    Some of the new stuff is great, some of it I just don't need to "BUY" into. like having to buy a 14 ft. rod for steelheading, new huge reel, and 150 ft. lines. don't need no freaking whip finish tool either! been catching fish with half hitched flies for 40 years and plan to for another 20 IF I live that long!
     
  15. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

    Joined:
    May 6, 2008
    Messages:
    4,171
    Likes Received:
    1,678
    Location:
    Moses Lake, WA
    All you need to do is the mirror image of that and reverse turn and you will be done.