who can afford...

I like my golf myself and in my opinion callaway is the best for clubs, :D

as for the foreign made fly rods well, to each there own, besides chinese or korean is good quality too with a warranty plus not many people have the cash to plunk down on the finesse of the finesse of fly rods so they look at affordability and sometimes quanity over quality. besides most people base the good quality fly rods that are foreign made with the worranty or there pocket book, i base mine on pocket book, :D all companys can be american made even if there outsourced, i prefur american made then again im a point of my life where everything is slowly going over to china, singapore, taiwan, the phillipines,korea over american soil, i have accepted the change and i will see it all go over there eventually or the american companys will go outta business because they want to much for there american made gear and people want to be conscious on there pocket books, that is why there is a class system in the country, poor get poor or decent quality gear, middle class get the better or best and rich get nothing but the best, i can live with it and be content with it. there is my 2 cents on it. :D
 
You don't have to buy expensive to get good quality. Learn to shop. Remember that buying the mystic brands to be an enthusiast about your sport. There are lots of adequate rods between $100 - $200. The same goes for almost all the equipment. You don't have look like you just came out of an ORVIS catalog. Buy smart and you can fish well inexpensively. But if you insist on buying Top of the line expensive stuff, then realize fly fishing can be a very expensive sport. But expensive doesn't make it more enjoyable.
 

Lugan

Joe Streamer
A lot of you guys conflate "need" and "want" into one bucket. They are separate.

We have arguments on WFF where one guy is arguing about what is needed to catch fish, while the other is talking about what they want to buy and use. The same could be said about cars, bicycles, guns, guitars and many other items where utility evolves into luxury as prices rise.

I personally don't fault anyone for wanting a little bling, whether fishing gear or anything else. Boys like toys, after all, and sometimes having an expensive toy is more fun.
 

weiliwen

Active Member
"But expensive doesn't make it more enjoyable."

That is a personal statement and does not apply to all people. See Lugan's post above - spot on.
 
i agreed, a person doesnt need a $7,000 1911 pistol for a example a remington or ruger will do the same job and cost less, some people just want the most amount of money item for bragging rights and for example they couldnt use it proper its just for bragging rights.
 

John Hicks

Owner and operator of Sea Run Pursuits
[quote="Keith Hixson, post: 935353, member: 4597. You don't have look like you just came out of an ORVIS catalog..[/quote]


Keith,

I would argue that Many of the things you find in an "Orvis catalogue" are cheaper and better made than some of the other brands. i.e. Clearwater spey rods, Pro-Guide Zip up waders......
 
even within the same brand, buying their top of the line isnt necessarily the best.
I prefer the SAGE motive over the XI3, because I dont want to have to overline the rod and like the more moderate action of the motive better. I can afford the $700 rod, but I bought the $400 rod.
I cast the TFO mangrove, the Beulah bluewater, and the reddingtons, and the SAGE was the best rod. It cast the best, felt the best-the Beulah blue water was REEEEEAAAALLLLLLLY nice though- only $30 less, but its a 10/11 and Id line it with an 11wt, but wanted a true 10wt.

I say cast EVERYTHING, and pick whats going to make your "zen moment" most enjoyable. With good gear, youve only got yourself to blame when shit goes wrong. I see so many people blame shitty gear for their personal shortcomings.
 
I think the whole "dont knock it till you try it" addage really applies here.

If you dont know what youre missing.... maybe ignorance is bliss. But if you fish your gear HARD and dont want to worry about it letting you down, I think the purchasing of higher end gear is better... as long as it truly is better gear.
I use conventional gar a lot for tuna/white sea bass/dorado/yellowtail here. I fish Daiwa saltist lever drag reels(single and 2 speed) . They arent cheap, but they are not nearly as expensive as the top of the line Shimano or avet reels that everyone loves down here, and guess what? The reel shops are ALWAYS fixing shimano and avet reels, and NEVER have to repair the saltist.
So yes I agree, sometimes the fancy ass gear isnt worth the money, find out what gear IS worth it, and buy that.

A 120lb bluefin tuna will help you find out what gear is or isnt worth the $$$ really fast BTW
 
My first fly fishing rod was a tenkara rod and a low quality tenkara rod at that...I spent $65 on it and then bought a $30 pair of neoprenes off of Craigslist, a spool of tippet, and a couple flies from the fly shop. Overall it cost me less than $150 to get outfitted to fish for trout in CO. I would go fish small streams in RMNP and catch fish after fish while the fly fisher downstream of me whose rod and reel cost more than my car sat there catching nothing wondering whether he should be jealous of me or hate me for fishing tenkara...or both, maybe. Point being, it is my humble opinion that you absolutely do not need more than YOU think YOU need. Some guys have posted about how a $1000 rod is necessary to get the job done...I say thats malarky! The upgrades are nice (Ive since upgraded my tenkara rod) and do provide better performance and are often times more comfortable but you dont need them to catch fish. What you really do need to catch fish is to be focused on catching fish and less focused on whether the Patagonia logo on your waders is properly centered in your selfie shot.
 
Speaking of Tenkara rod i was thinking to get my husband on it as he kept speaking about japanese fly fishing on it, however when it comes to affordability i am always wondering how good most starter fly rods from major fly rod companys like orvis, echo and so forth for the price how good they are.

i have been looking at a sage method fly rod just because the youtube vids are nice on it.
 

bennysbuddy

the sultan of swing
The problem with that analysis is, Stilly, that it's incorrect. Foreign-made goods can be of high quality. The fact is, we're all part of the world now.

My old boss bought himself a Buick recently because it was "made in the USA." In fact, it was built in Canada. Then he says, well, it's an American company. I pointed out that it's a public company and that a stockholder might be a California pension fund or a Saudi prince. Additionally, many, many parts are sourced overseas, as are parts of your "made in the USA rod," unless you can let me know where the US cork oak farm is. "Made in USA" is a marketing tool to make people feel patriotic, or something like that, but has little bearing in reality. A good quality product is a good quality product, no matter where it's made. Do not kid yourself that you're stemming the exodus of manufacturing jobs by buying a rod from a company that employs 25 people. Very true, many price-point items are sourced overseas, but that is the subject of this thread, isn't it? An inexpensive rod will more than likely be built where costs are lower. An high-quality rod will be made where the craftsmen are, regardless of price.

So, to compare foreign-made goods to a box of crap is ludicrous and insulting.
Case in point vintage Hardy & j.w. young fly reels are foreign made & top Quality
 
You don't have to buy expensive to get good quality. Learn to shop. Remember that buying the mystic brands to be an enthusiast about your sport. There are lots of adequate rods between $100 - $200. The same goes for almost all the equipment. You don't have look like you just came out of an ORVIS catalog. Buy smart and you can fish well inexpensively. But if you insist on buying Top of the line expensive stuff, then realize fly fishing can be a very expensive sport. But expensive doesn't make it more enjoyable.

hmmm you are mostly correct.. you can get good quality at an inexpensive price you however cannot get the best at an inexpensive prices... there are lots of adequate rods at 100 or 200 dollars but i need better than adequate expensive doesn't make it more enjoyable but having equipment that does not hold me back does make it enjoyable.