who uses over 600 grs on a 8wt??

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by sandspanker, May 10, 2011.

  1. golfman65

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    Man, this is dumb...different rods have different grain windows..so the wt on the rod is only relative to that company and even that is sketchy...Try out the 5 or 6wt z axis spey...very sweet little sticks that take lighter lines better..but very different from said rod..

    Also, Mumbles could be casting it from under the bushes or against the bank..660 with heavy tips would be the ticket for that as you want to max load the rod without much of a D loop...matter of fact if he was throwing big chickens and t 14 and not worried about a 100' cast then that might be the perfect line..

    Long bellies can be heavier or at the upper end of a grain window because you are moving that mass over a long length of line and not using tips...(in a very simplified explanation, but this is a short rod, mass argument)

    I've owned 8wts that cast anything from 540 to 650..the rod designation means nothing..the grain window and where and how your fishing does...

    I personally like whatever works..sometimes it's lighter and as such casts big distances better...which might be why Leroy and others prefers them as he's on big water and big casts with smaller flies is ideal.. but trying to turn heavy tips with to light of a head doesn't make sense.

    There are very few casters who know the stroke well enough to be able to do it all...and we are not among them...:)
     
  2. Leroy Laviolet

    Leroy Laviolet Aint no nookie like chinookie

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    Agreed Golfman -
    If you need the grains, use them. If you don't, no sense overworking yourself . Fish what works for you, not everything works for everyone-
    Have fun, respect the resource, appreciate the time on the river with good friends .... Don't let differing opinions on the web piss ya off -
    'Nuff said -
     
  3. T Dave

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    I see, mystery solved with sketchy third hand info of some dudes that allegedly use 600+ grains... of course! Now is that total weight including tips? Head only? In my experienced hands, I tested skagit head weights of 550, 600, and 650, all with 120 grain tips. While I settled on and could launch the 550, I would say anything between 550 and 600 is good. Tried and tested the 650 and it was too heavy to be "good". Made the rod (most notably tip recovery) sluggish. Also tested and fished extensively the 530 grain delta, and cnd 594 grain lines. Both work and load the rod well with the cnd being a good challenge to be consistent with 65' head to a 12'9" rod.
     
  4. T Dave

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    Golfy, have you owned or fished both sticks? I do and wouldn't classify the 6126 as a lighter line rod as apposed to the 8129. Yes their flex points are different, (8129 being further up the blank) but it doesn't mean the 8129 needs to be comparatively loaded more to be effective. To me, it makes no sense to take an excellent fast action designed rod and force the load down into the bottom where it's not designed to work. If one wants to do that, there are some great deep flexing designed sticks out there that throw huge grains....


    Effective short casts (even with only part of a long belly head out) can be made by simply making a smaller stroke and not blowing the anchor. It makes no sense to overline a rod to facilitate "bank casting". IMO
     
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    An example
    Loop Mulit 13 foot 8 weight doesn't begin to shine until you load it with a 630 compact skagit. (not including tips)
    I don't think it is standard practice to include tips in grain weight windows ... the rod doesn't load with it really on a skagit cast .... just the skagit head ... the tip goes along for the ride.

    Steve
     
  6. golfman65

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    Just the 5126, cast the 6126 owned briefly the 9143? .. only waggled the 8 and it felt more like the 9 compared to the 5 or 6...but those little guys yes will throw anything, tim puts 15' of t-14 on the 5126..but I can't handle that..
    Not saying you have to or would want to overload it...but if up against the tree's and you needed to...that's when overlining a rod comes in handy..
     
  7. stewart dee

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    Man I was up on the Skagit, Sauk and Stilly today. High water and looking good. If only I can figure out this 650 grain line on my 6wt? I guess we all have a different feel? I feel about 20ft. and then I count my leader, and rod and arms. Now I am out about 40ft. Maybe I need to go up to 720 gr. ??? The heck with it. I just found a nice Ugly Stick, lawn chair, rod bell and a cold 18 pack of PBR (at the local Wall Store). Going to the dark side - adios.
     
  8. Leroy Laviolet

    Leroy Laviolet Aint no nookie like chinookie

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    Dave, my comment was smart ass and facetious. I'm in your corner on this one, just for the record -
     
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    It's the same as the "line and rod performance" thread.
    A well lined rod is a pleasure and a less than well lined rod is a drag.
     
  10. ralfish

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    Grains and rods, it comes down to what you want to do.

    On my 12'6'' 7/8 my go to dry line is a 7/8 CND GPS. 594 grains at 65 feet. Thats pretty much the max belly I can single spey on that rod, and it doesn't feel over loaded, or bogged down. If I can count on a windless day I'll drop the line down to the 6/7 for 512 grains and have a longer overhang.

    Same rod winter set up is either a 7/8 Delta at 530 grains stock or 500 chopped to launch tips or a chopped AFS 460 grain head. Modded it comes in at 400 grains and will launch 140 grain tips if needed with 100-120 grain tips being the norm go to with heavy irons. I just have to back off the top hand that is needed for the longer belly line and go more bottom hand or fulcrum style.

    All 3 lines have different loading and casting characteristics. Same rod. The interesting thing is I'm accessing power from different areas of the rod with the different lines by adjusting my casting stroke, and most importantly certainly never feel that I'm working hard.

    Different bellies and strokes, good performance; same rod.
     
  11. Leroy Laviolet

    Leroy Laviolet Aint no nookie like chinookie

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    more great stuff - Tweeking overhang lengths is another great way to fine tune on the river, changes all kinds of things in an instant -
     
  12. golfman65

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    stew is now a salt only guy..:rofl: another one bites the dust..

    so all he's got to do is worry about what pier him and jimmy will be fishing..
     
  13. stewart dee

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    Ha! the squid jigs are hard to cast. I hooked Jimmy in the neck, with all those hooks the blood really worked for the dogfish. But hey at least I am catching and not walking around looking at all the old famous spots.
     
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    Even though I realize that you are just kidding, that is still some pretty funny shit!