Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Ringlee, May 5, 2010.
It appears their contact form is conveniently down. Use their email address: [email protected]
I am writing in regards to the selling of Wild Steelhead at the market.
I am aware of the situation, and realize full well the right of the tribes to these fish, and your legal right to sell them. However, WDFW's lack of concern over these fish populations is part of the problem many of us are trying to point out. Their stance on the harvestability of these fish is stricly political, and not scientific. The only way that they're going to change their stance on it is if a greater number of us band together to fight to change it.
These fish populations are severely depressed. While they be the strongest populations of steelhead in the world, they are still on the brink of collapse.
I for one love coming to the market and purchasing sustanably caught Alaskan salmon, shellfish, and crab. I have been a customer at the fish market on multiple occasions. But in the past two years, my education on the plight of wild steelhead has sent me buying elsewhere. I simply cannot support a business that supports the demise of an icon of this state.
I sent a similar email earlier today evan, expect a reply like this:
"I have received your email and will forward it to the owner. Please know that we dont buy any illegal or endangered steelhead. The Native Americans pretty much run the commercial steelhead industry in Washington and are highly regulated by the state. It is not illegal for them to catch and or sell wild fish. The fish are coming from rivers on the Olympic Penninsula, and if you check the link i sent you, you can see that the Washington State Department of Fish and Wildlife are not concerned with Steelhead populations in this area. Thanks for your concern."
Sad story, but they seem to be douped by the Tribes and WDFW.
FYI... I sent the Pike Place Fish Market an e-mail yesterday afternoon (5/5) via their company web-site asking them what rivers and in what states the wild steelhead they were selling came from. I have yet to receive a reply. IF and When I do I will let you know.
The Hoh and the Quinault.
does anyone know if they are still gill netting the Hoh or Quialty right now?
So looks like we are all getting the copy/paste response from Anders. Perhaps we combine our emails and forwardthem to another department, but which one? Any suggestions? Does anyone have an accurate count to this years wild steelhead population and the percentage of depletion?
I'm more outraged that Pike Place is selling Chilean Sea Bass. http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/SeafoodWatch/web/sfw_factsheet.aspx?gid=6
Salvo fired this afternoon...
Respectfully, your information is in error.
The tribal fishers are not constrained by the laws of the state of Washington, and are NOT regulated by the state. The tribes are co-managers with the State, and apply their own rules/regulations. The wild steelhead they are catching, killing and selling are indeed among the depressed runs. They are fishing legally, but still impacting wild steelhead. The management of these fisheries is in question, and there is definitely a major concern with the survival and escapement of wild steelhead in the Hoh and Quinault Rivers. There have been serious disease issues in hatcheries on those rivers this winter, and without healthy wild stocks to restart the hatcheries stock, the entire run will be lost.
While you are correct in that it is legal for the tribes to catch and sell wild steelhead, it is simply unacceptable for a socially responsible business to contribute to the decline of wild steelhead in Washington by patronizing those who would catch and sell the last wild steelhead in Washington simply because they can. There is a large and vocal community of people who are aware that these fish ARE endangered, threatened and depressed, and that buying/selling them is simply socially irresponsible and unacceptable. We encourage you to be socially responsible. Trafficking in wild steelhead is not OK. It will be unacceptable to myself and a growing segment of the population to sell WILD steelhead. If you restrict your purchases and sales to fin-clipped hatchery origin steelhead, that will go a long way to helping protect the wild stock.
To say that what you are doing is legal is insufficient. Please honor the words on your website. You can't avoid social responsibility by hiding behind what's "legal"...
Then, after a while, we asked ourselves, "What does this mean - being world famous?" And we created our own definition. For us it means going beyond just providing outstanding service to people. It means really being present with people and relating to them as human beings. You know, stepping outside the usual "we're in business and you're a customer" way of relating to people and intentionally being with them right now, in the present moment, person to person. We take all our attention off ourselves to be only with them...looking for ways to serve them. We're out to discover how we can make their day. We've made a commitment to have our customers leave with the experience of having been served. They experience being known and appreciated whether they buy fish or not. And it's not good enough just to want that - it takes an unrelenting commitment. We've made it our job to make sure that experience happens for every customer." To us, being ‘World Famous' is a way of being. You can't manualize it. It gets created by each one of us, newly every time. It comes out differently for different people. It also depends on who the customer is...how they react. It's about taking care of people. We're always on the lookout for how we can make a difference in people's lives.
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Pike Place Fish Market <[email protected]
I have received your email and will forward it to the owner. Please know that we don't buy any illegal or endangered steelhead. The Native Americans pretty much run the commercial steelhead industry in Washington and are highly regulated by the state. It is not illegal for them to catch and or sell wild fish. The fish are coming from rivers on the Olympic Peninsula, and if you check the link I sent you, you can see that the Washington State Department of Fish and Wildlife are not concerned with Steelhead populations in this area. Thanks for your concern. Anders @ Pike Place Fish
What about the big monkfish they use to scare tourists. It's listed as "AVOID" as well. http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/SeafoodWatch/web/sfw_factsheet.aspx?gid=13
Exactly! A few years back my local Alberton's store had 'these' for sale in my local market. A good thing is I'd traded there for years and new the gal. Told her that selling 'Steelhead' was a major offence here in Oregon, REGARDLESS of where you got same. 'You're kidding?' 'Nope.' Told her I'd be back in a moment with a copy of the State Fishing Regulations and let her read the particular section that address' the issue.
Dead silence .. and a low 'Oh Shxt ...' Back there a few days later and the fish were gone ... as they were (she told me) from every Albertson's store in Oregon.
Why? State law forbids you even giving a neighbor 'all, or any portion thereof,' a Steelhead unless a written receipt accompanies stating who caught the fish, where, the fisherman's license number, etc., and etc.
Gotta love it!
I say we organize a demonstration. We get a bunch of us out there on a Sunday handing out fliers, educating people, maybe making a ruckus, we could have a big effect.
Would anyone be into doing this?
instead of just e-mailing Anders, who is apparently the PR guy, try to get ahold of Mr. John Yokoyama, who I believe is the owner, his brother Richard the acting manager, or Sam Samson who has been there forever and is listed on Manta* as being the manager.
*yeah manta isn't always accurate, and I'm no detective so give me a break if I've posted inaccurate info.
just playing devils advocate here... What are they suppose to do with the wild steelhead they choke to death while fishing for clones? Just waste em?
Really? You think there needs to be a devil's advocate position here? Really? Extend arms, remove head (from you know where).
Derail the market for the wild steelhead and the tribes demand for that supply will dwindle. Cause the demand to dwindle and perhaps there will be a reason for tactical changes in fishing methodologies.
Change the fishing methodologies and maybe the sport fishermen and the tribal fishermen can begin to walk down the path of co-management and minimizing impact to wild fish together for a change.
Feel free to put your head back if you like.