Wild Steelhead in the Pike Pl Fish Market?

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by MarkM, Feb 25, 2008.

  1. MarkM

    MarkM New Member

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    Thanks all - especially FT, this has been quite an education. Interesting that it's already hit the federal courts and been decided. Between this issue and reading about the Duwamish river's PCB's yesterday and reading about the recent collapse of the salmon population in northern CA - and then getting into steelhead fishing this winter and beginning to understand how rare these fish are becoming, it just seems that there is no hope for andromodous fish in the lower 48. They're all going to go away and we're going to watch it happen.
     
  2. Coach Duff

    Coach Duff Banned or Parked

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    I've posted on this numerous times and have seen this for over 30 years. The Hoh is usually the main river sold from. Coach
    There are times when every fish monger in the Pike Place Market is loaded up with wild Hoh steelhead stacked like cordwood. The fish monger in the University District on the side street by the bank right off the ave is another wild fish seller. The fish monger right up on Pike towards Madison at the natural grocery is a wild fish only seller and only sells wild fish from "non depressed" stocks. They have been Hoh river carriers. In fact the head of the fish department used to hold keggar barbecues with wild fish as the main course in Fremont. Usually it was "Keta" salmon (chum) but I only hit those up a couple of times. The main guy John I think (years ago) seemed like save the steelhead advocate, but if a run was declared healthy, he'd hit it up. We all know that healthy and depressed is a fine line. I can go on and on, but you get the picture. Most of it comes from the OP, or that is how it is advertised.
     
  3. Dan

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    Mark,

    Sadly, I think that you are right. However, if we have to go down, let's go down swinging. Keep up the good fight. We have a lot to learn from guys like Les Johnson who are great mentors for all of us on preserving this precious resource.
     
  4. Les Johnson

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    The tribes can legally sell steelhead. What we need is for retail fish mongers to stop buying steelhead from the tribes. If the tribal netters don't have a market, they may slowly -- and regarding the tribes I mean sloooowwly -- start thinking in terms of steelhead as a valuable renewable resource that will attract deep pockets people from around the country rather than a commodity item. As long as the Forks locals, including the natives, consider steelhead a market item that can help them make the next month's payment on their pickup or double-wide, we'll continue to see steelhead on the fish mongers' ice at Pike Place Market, Safeway and where ever.
    I don't know if anyone on the OP will ever have enough vision to see the big picture regarding what their wild steelhead ( and salmon and cutthroat) runs can do for their long term economy.
    Les Johnson
     
  5. Chromer

    Chromer Defeat terrorism

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    You dont really want to buy eagle feathers, gall bladders and fish from them. Go to the casinos, smokeshops, and firecracker stands to show support.
     
  6. gt

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    wild steelhead are NOT a sustainable resource. all one has to do is check out the rivers of hood canal to understand what happened after boldt. the indian circus moved in and totally raped the resource to the point that many of those rivers are now devoid of anadramous fish.

    i have to agree with the 'thinking' of the locals on the west end, they are clueless regarding resource management. so while the tribes are empowered to kill the last wild fish, we also have an obligation to let others know that is going on.

    a local restaurant here in sequim was featuring wild steelhead on the menu. i had a quiet chat with the chef/owner. he was not aware of the situation which exists with the killing of these wild fish. he stopped buying from his indian supplier.

    one small victory for those wild fish. but it takes all of those who are concerned to raise the information bar and let people in on the secret that wild fish are going extinct, in large part, because of the unregulated indian fishery.

    so why not hop on down to that fish monger and have a chat with their buyer.................
     
  7. Citori

    Citori Piscatorial Engineer

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    Eloquent, succinct and well put. Thanks, gt
     
  8. FT

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    gt,

    I'd like to see that happen with all those who serve or sell wild steelhead, but not just in Washington State because as I've pointed out before, if the tribes can't sell them in Washington State, they will sell them elsewhere, for instance New York City, Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Boston, Washington DC, and so on. Just because we get some Washington State business to quit selling or serving wild steelhead, it doesn't mean that there is any less of a market for the fish or that any fewer will be killed andn sold.

    Like Les mentioned, the tribes will very slowly (like so slowly you have to measure it in multiple decades to see a small change) change what they do with wild steelhead. I'd love to see tribal members set up guiding operations and take sportsfishers out. Afterall, the folks who are getting most of the tribal catch know where to find fish, so they could be excellent guides.
     
  9. gt

    gt Active Member

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    so FT, your solution is to do NOTHING????????????????????

    in case you missed it, there are people who post and more than likely lurk from other states beside WA. it takes energy on the invididuals part to help educate and at least slow the killing of wild steelhead.

    no market? no kill!

    now go put yur head back under the covers, some of us believe in doing our small part.
     
  10. Mathew

    Mathew Ugly, but happy.

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    I am pretty sure FT's solution is to do nothing.

    except when he mentioned heightening awareness of the fish buying public on a local and national level and suggesting honing an already established set of skills (fishing, and knowing where..) and turning it into profitable and quality guide services.

    But other than that... :)
     
  11. Snake

    Snake tryin' not to get too comfortable

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    The problem isn't just the tribes selling the wild steelies, it's the restaurants and markets that buy them, and then sell to uneducated consumers.

    Many of the restaurants are fully aware of the controversy, and will purposely mis-advertise steelhead, in complete violation of state law.

    Where's the enforcement for that B.S.??? :confused::mad:

    p.s. Don't eat at 'Matt's In The Market'.
     
  12. Jon Borcherding

    Jon Borcherding New Member

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    I think gt & FT both make excellent points. At the end of the day you have to ask yourself if the indiscriminate killing of wild anadromous fishes would continue if the general public were to become truly aware of the cultural, economic and ecologic significance of these fish and how close many stocks are to extinction.

    If a ban on the killing of wild steelhead were pursued with the same zeal and conviction the animal rights community displayed in their campaign to end trapping, I think things would change.

    JonB
     
  13. jasmillo

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    I'm pretty sure that's is all he said. I don't think he advocated doing "nothing".

    I was @ Pikes today during my lunchbreak and noticed the same thing. Being someone originally from the east coast, I would have definitely purchased "wild Steelhead" from a restaurant in NY or CT prior to moving to WA- and I am an avid fly-fisherman. Plainly put, folks outside of WA (and even native non-fishing "washingtonians") are not aware of the severity of the situation.

    From a WA standpoint you have 2 options. Change the thought process of 300 million people countrwide (most of whom could either care less about wild steelhead or are not educated enough to make a smart decision) or get the folks (tribes, etc.) to make smart, ecologically sound decisions. Of course, it probably has to be an economically sound decision for them as well but at some point (as stock diminish even further) netting and selling wild steelhead just won't be a viable option. Changing the thought process of the tribes or unfortunately, letting the tribes get to the point where selling wild steelhead is just not profitable anymore is the only option.

    Do you really think the mongers in Pike Place Market selling Salmon and Steelhead to tourists from Nebraska could care less about what 10, 20, or even 100 flyfishers in WA have to say? Nope, if the tourist stop buying, they'll stop selling. So, go ahead and go to Nebraska, New York, New Hampshire, Illinois, etc. and stop the tourists from buying. In fact, I challenge every member of this site to send an email or call the monger in question here and complain. I will go down and check their stand everyday. My guess is that they will continue to sell it no matter how much we complain.

    Be realistic-it's starts with the folks that are legally able to harvest wild steelhead. Change their minds for the greater good of the state of WA, etc. or wait until it becomes more economically viable for them to guide instead of net. I'm obviously no genius but to me, those seem to be the only options available to us (the flyfisherman and our organizations).
     
  14. gt

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    i guess that means you didn't choose to spend 10 minutes of your lunch break engaging the fish monger about their choice of product. with that sort of 'effort', nothing will change. thanks for taking the time...........
     
  15. Marty Leith

    Marty Leith Member

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    I took Citori's advice and sent an email. Below is the exchange. Has anyone else had any similar response?

    I agree whole heartedly with gt - it starts at the individual level.

    Marty


    Jon,

    Thank you for your genuine concern and response. Many feel that the state's definition of sustainable is wrong and that if we don't act now wild steelhead as we know (knew) them will be gone forever. While the state is the governing body and should have the answers, they are finally beginning to realize that they do not know nearly enough about the situation. Please visit www.wildsteelheadcoalition.com for more information. The WSC is working with toghther with the state and everyone else this effects to develop a better managment plan for our wild steelhead. I encourage you to check these facts that are available on the website.

    Also, Rich is our president and can provide you some more insights should you wish to contact him.

    Thank you for taking the time.

    Marty

    Martin D. Leith l Associate Vice President
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    500 108th Ave NE, Suite 2400 Bellevue, WA 98004
    T 425.450.1114 F 425.451.3058 C 206.851.8270
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    Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:33 AM
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    I understand your concern and did contact the state fisheries dept. they are certain of sustainability. Do you have info. stating otherwise? I mean this sincerely, wanting to have all species available for all time. It means a lot to me and I trust our fish and wildlife for the most part, there has been mistakes over the years of coarse, so do let me know any facts of over fishing or any thing else and I do work with powerful groups to secure fisheries and we like info. Thanks, Jon
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    Message from CityFish.com

    This message was sent from the www.cityfish.com website.

    If the sender filled in their e-mail address you can simply reply to this message.

    Marty Leith
    Email: mleith@gvakm.com
    Phone: 425-450-1114

    Has the following message:

    Please stop buying and selling wild steelhead. These fish are hurting and will not be available for future generations if we do nothing today. I will inform everyone I know to please do the same. I will purchase other species and encourage others to do the same from you if you consider and take action.

    Regards,

    Marty Leith