Winston BIIX 9' 6"

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  1. generic

    generic Active Member

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    Does anyone here have one of these rods?

    Edit: I forgot to put the rod wt in the title.

    I'm looking specifically for owners of a 6 wt in that rod. Need line advice.
     
  2. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Dave, you might PM Mark Mercer on here. He's a Winston rod freak.
     
  3. generic

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    Thanks Larry!
     
  4. LD

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    Yes I have one. Let me know what you would like to know.
     
  5. generic

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    Well, I was going to PM you, but there might be others on here that would like to know as well.

    Here's the deal:

    I want to get a new floating line for it. I have found (probably like anyone), that each rod/caster/etc, seems to like different lines for different reasons. However that being said, some lines (in general) seem to work better with certain rods.

    I have a SA 6 wt steelhead taper with it now, which is great for longer casts. I want something for short to medium casts. When I'm in my pontoon boat, I don't need to be making a 70' cast. Sure the steelhead taper works, it just seems to take more work/not as effortless as I'd like.

    Again, I realize that everyone is different. It's almost like asking someone "What's your favorite ice cream?" I just wanted some tips on tapers that work well with this particular rod. Maybe just a simple WF...?

    The reason I ask this question (as you know LD), is that Winston prides itself on a 6 wt being a 6wt, a 4 wt is a 4 wt, etc. However with the more unique tapers, I wonder if guys have found a "secret" (for a lack of better words), when it comes to the BIIX 9'6".

    For example: I've heard from a few guys, that the BIIX 7 wt switch rod, throws like a mini spey, when it has the J.W. Ambush 8 wt line on it.

    Sorry that was a long way to get there, but maybe someone else can glean from this info as well. Either that, or just confirm to them that I really am just full of crap. :eek:

    Thanks
     
  6. g_smolt

    g_smolt Recreational User

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    AirFlo Super Dri river and stream taper or Sixth Sense in 5/6 - both are delta heads, so the 30' weight is a 5, the 46' (whole head) is a 6. Very easy casting with a long forward taper, and great lines for close to far.

    I throw one line under (5/6 on 696, 7/8 on 890, etc) on the BIIx and find that with most of the modern X.5wt lines this is the way to go. The BIIx IS a fast rod, but it IS a "softer" fast rod - it will throw a whole flyline with ease, it just doesn't like being forced into it.
     
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    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    I have the 5 weight, 4 pc and use Cortland Western Drifter 5WFF...loads nicely. I would guess the 6 weight will be likewise.
     
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    I have a 9' 6" BXII in a 8 wt, that I have a regular 8WF Floating line, cast just fine. I think if you get any floating weight forward line you'll do fine.
     
  9. generic

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    I have a 4 wt and an 8 wt in a BIIX as well, but never considered them to be "faster" rods. I have heard that from others before, but I alwayss considered more of a medium action.

    So you're say'n a guy could/should under line it, and it will load better for short to medium distances?
     
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    later_Peter Active Member

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    I have an 8' 4 weight.. (I love this rod)...I found the Rio Tactical Trout (or current name) rolls right out
     
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    g_smolt Recreational User

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    It is a soft or medium rod, compared to some of the broomsticks Sage and Scott made in the late 90's / early 00's. Like all rods, it can be underlined or over lined - it is the personal choice of the operator. I get the best performance out of the BIIx lineup with relatively lighter lines, smooth hauls of long duration, and a longer arc during the casting stroke. For shorter casts, I go with a very abrupt stroke and cast almost entirely off the tip with very little rotation to the stroke.

    I would get ahold of a few different lines / weights, string that bad Larry up, and see what makes it sing - you might be mildly surprised by just how light (or heavy) a fella can go with those rods.
     
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    I get what you're saying now. I just went back and re-read your post, I missed the "softer" part. I completely agree on the "softer" fast rod description. By the way, for those of you that haven't cast a BIIX <- I realize that statement might not make sense. It's like my buddy trying to describe his Scott rod to me, and it didn't make sense until he let me cast it...

    Anyway, I was just entertaining that very thing about 2 hrs ago... I just need to get as many lines as I can on that thing. Problem is (for me anyway), I always seem to cast different than I do on the water. However, it would probably give me an idea anyway. Thanks for the push in that direction.

    By the way, and I should have mentioned this earlier, I'm kind of looking for a line for still/very slow moving water. The roll cast and mending line won't be an issue, or come into play. I've found that the steelhead taper on rivers is fine. For the smaller to medium rivers I just use my 4 wt, with a couple of exceptions.

    Thanx g
     
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    I found an Airflo Tactical Trout online. Is that the one you're talking about? I'm kind of becoming a big fan of the Airflo lines. The non-PVC thing seems to be outlasting all my other lines. However....one of these days I'm going to pull the trigger on a Cortland Peach.
     
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    many years ago I had a bad (memory & color bled onto everything) experience with an Airflo line... I know it's Rio brand maybe not called "tactical trout"... I'll see what I can find...
     
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    I have a 9' 6wt and 8.5 4wt. I lined them both with rio gold lines. I really liked it with the 6wt. It seems to do everything. I can put a sinking poly leader for streamers, mends and roll casts well. On my 4wt the gold was good, but a friend had a line (he does not know what it is?) and seemed to cast slightly better. I recently sent my 4wt line back for warranty replacement. I am not sure if they changed something or just having a new line, but it casts amazing.

    I have gone away from the shooting head lines like a gpx for a few reasons. I am also not a fan of Airflo SH lines, TH lines are great. But if you were to go with a like that is a 1/2 wt heavier I would go with a 5wt. I have seen, especially on the 6wt, where people underline that rod. But that would go against your wanting to cast better in close. The other line that people really seem to like on Winston rods it the triangle taper (TT)lines. That line people either seem to love it or hate it. There is lots of discussion on the Winston Forum (now on facebook) on lines.

    Where are you located? If you are around Spokane you are welcome to cast my gold.
     
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