Winter tying

Discussion in 'Stillwater' started by troutpocket, Jan 31, 2010.

  1. troutpocket

    troutpocket Active Member

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    So I ordered a bunch of Jay Fair tying materials and have been messing around at the vise. I'm a hack, I know, but good materials do help. Anyway, here are some my recent efforts at replicating Fair and Rickards patterns.
     
  2. gdbrill

    gdbrill Tight Lines

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    You did a nice job tying those up. Should catch fish.
     
  3. Van BT's

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    very nice, i really need to start tying
     
  4. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    Good for your for experimenting. As suggestion, those long maribou tails are likely to result in short strikes but few fish to the net. Why? The fish grab the fly from behind and get a mouthful of tail but no hook since the barb is more than halfway towards the eye.

    Once you tie in the tail, pinch it between your thumb and forefinger on the tie-in side and then use your other thumb and forefinger to pinch off the excess, leaving a tail no more than 1/2 to 3/4" long. The shorter tail may not look as nice, but it'll result in landing more fish.

    Just sayin' . . .

    K
     
  5. troutpocket

    troutpocket Active Member

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    Now Kent, I didn't track down nice marabou in cool colors just to pinch off the ends :)

    Your point is taken. I've seen the fly boxes of a few great stillwater fly fishers and noticed an abundance of stubby tails.

    Rod
     
  6. Rob Ast

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    troutpocket,

    Nice colors/combos. As another constructive criticism, many of the palmered hackles seem to be quite clumped. The may need to be wrapped tighter, or perhaps try stripping all of the barbs off the inside portion of the quill to thin them out a bit.

    Rob
     
  7. Steve Saville

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    They look pretty "buggy" to me. I'm not much of a lake fisherman but they should catch fish. I'll go along with the short strikes. Maybe you could tie those with a stinger loop and cut off the base hook to guard against the short strikes. Kinda like a Miyawaki beach popper.
     
  8. nz trout bum

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    I agree that you get some short strikes with longer tails but I also believe you get more strikes. I find that more than 1/2 of the short striking fish come back if you don't jerk it away. I have taken Rickards to NZ twice and my "long tails" keep up with the shorter version. Just my $.02. Good luck.

    BTW...the flies look good but no more than 2.5 wraps of hackle. W
     
  9. troutpocket

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    Thanks. I asked Rickards about long tails once and his reply was that if a 5lb trout wants to eat your #8 fly, an extra 1/2 inch of tail isn't going to stop it.

    I assume the 2.5 wraps of hackle comment applies to the stillwater nymph?

    Rod
     
  10. Don Davis

    Don Davis Formerly FlyCatcherman, formerly Don_The_Fly

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    I wouldn't say you are a "hack". It looks like you did a pretty good job. I have two criteria for a well tied fly. 1)does it catch fish and 2)will it stay together after you catch a couple. IMHO if it passes those two test then it is a worthy, well tied fly. I often find that the flies that do the best are the ones that have been half chewed by the previous fish I have caught.
    Too many flies are tied to please the fisheman and not the fish.
    Tie flies. Try them. If they catch fish, tie some more.
     
  11. Sean Beauchamp

    Sean Beauchamp Heavies...

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    nice ties they look great man! glad to see someone fill a box with something other than size 8 olive wooly buggers! i dont stress too much about short strikes. i think that has more to do with a fish not commiting to the eat because something is amiss. size, color, retrieve. often by changing one of those i dont get those short strikes. im also a firm believer that big trout just dont miss.

    keep at it. next up... bunny fur.
     
  12. Islander

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    iagree
     
  13. Mike Ediger

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    I like 'em TP. I am a fan of longer tails. I have also become a fan of the burnt orange tails like you have done in a couple of your pics. I have tied bodies with black, claret, even olive, and still use an orange tail. Has worked great for me.
    Not that I get out much anymore though, so take that with a grain of salt.
     
  14. Keith Hixson

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    Two solutions to short strikes, cut the tail short should short strikes begin to happen or retrieve / troll slower. Either one will often work with more hook ups. The tails did seem a bit long. Good looking flies and I'm sure you'll get share of strikes and hook ups. Way to go.
     
  15. Tim Cottage

    Tim Cottage Formerly tbc1415

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    Very nice. Very buggy.

    TC