Thank you gary and jack for all your help. I update this after i go and tell you how it was.I alos heard about a lake not to far from maltby called Devils/Lost lake that has some fat cutts and they take well to chrimond emergers. I'll also tell you about that after I go.I 've you want some infromation on Lost/devils lake go to Washingtonlakes.com and click on Devil/Lost Lake. Relase many, Keep few! THANKS!!!!!