Wolves on the Westside?

#61
The problem here is not the sport of hunting. The real issue is the invention of the gun. Guns made the taking of prey (or life) much easier than mankind has ever experienced in nature. Hunters have no respect for the animals they take or the environment in which they live. I say this because anyone can shoot an elk 500 yards away without having to break a sweat. All they care about is the KILL. If a hunter has to compete with another predator they want to eliminate the competition. When real hunters had nothing to use but their brain to hunt, they came up with very clever ways to catch prey: the bow and arrow, spears, hell even poisonous blow darts. More importantly you had to have a certain level of respect for nature otherwise you simply did not eat. If hunters are so good at their craft then why do they not exclusively use bows? Any moron can shoot something dead; it does not take a genius to aim and fire a rifle. But it would be too much work having to track, give chase, and catch your prey if you catch anything at all. Hell every person I have meet who hunts looks like they would get winded just having to walk to their mail box. Same comparison as fly vs gear anglers. Any moron can chuck gear and effortlessly catch fish. I've gone years fly-fishing and haven't even begun to scratch the surface. Don't get me wrong I have nothing against hunting. I have even thought about taking it up. Just if I take it up I will use a bow and keep a .44 in case I run into a bear or wolf. jmho
So if you hunt you have no respect for the animals or the environment unless you use a bow???? And only a moron would use gear to fish....all real fishermen use flies??? That's awesome dude.......hate to tell you but any moron can learn to use a bow or fly fish as well, get over yourself.
 
#64
Well, I suppose we could point our fly rod at a rogue bear or wolf and say "BANG". That might work. You might want to take some lettuce with you to tuck in around your neck.
 

Salmo_g

Well-Known Member
#65
Wolf predation on livestock is understandably an issue with livestock owners. What is more difficult to grasp is the ill will toward wolf predation on deer and elk in WA. Coyotes kill hundreds of times more deer and have since wolves were extirpated, and I never hear a peep of complaint about that ongoing predation. This makes me think that much of the angst has to do with wolves in WA and wolf predation being "new" as opposed to a natural and ongoing occurrence around here.

It's oddly funny that discussions about wolves tend to be visceral, like discussions about religion and abortion, rather than rational. And all intelligent folks know that you cannot argue with visceral knowledge, that which you "know" in your gut.

Sg
 
#66
The problem here is not the sport of hunting. The real issue is the invention of the gun. Guns made the taking of prey (or life) much easier than mankind has ever experienced in nature. Hunters have no respect for the animals they take or the environment in which they live. I say this because anyone can shoot an elk 500 yards away without having to break a sweat. All they care about is the KILL. If a hunter has to compete with another predator they want to eliminate the competition. When real hunters had nothing to use but their brain to hunt, they came up with very clever ways to catch prey: the bow and arrow, spears, hell even poisonous blow darts. More importantly you had to have a certain level of respect for nature otherwise you simply did not eat. If hunters are so good at their craft then why do they not exclusively use bows? Any moron can shoot something dead; it does not take a genius to aim and fire a rifle. But it would be too much work having to track, give chase, and catch your prey if you catch anything at all. Hell every person I have meet who hunts looks like they would get winded just having to walk to their mail box. Same comparison as fly vs gear anglers. Any moron can chuck gear and effortlessly catch fish. I've gone years fly-fishing and haven't even begun to scratch the surface. Don't get me wrong I have nothing against hunting. I have even thought about taking it up. Just if I take it up I will use a bow and keep a .44 in case I run into a bear or wolf. jmho

Hunting is not a sport. Hunting is a way of life, just like fly fishing. Once it's under your skin there is no going back. Yes guns have made the taking of Food easier just like bait fishing, or gear fishing, or,...Gill Nets, Bottom Draggers... I eat what I kill thanks... fish included.
I have every bit of respect, reverence, Awe...for every single animal, I choose to kill and eat.
I also have a college education in natural resources. Whatever... I work in my field of study. I hunt with a gun three months out of the year, and I'm about to get my bow out. I fish with a fly rod by choice (It's just more fun that way). I respect where my food comes from and, I give back my backside to the environment daily.
"Anyone can shoot an elk at 500 yards". (This statement clearly shows that you have no idea what you are talking about). "Without breaking a sweat?" Seriously? When was the last time you dragged, butchered, boned and packed out, six months, or a years worth of food out of the mountains?
If you have really "gone "years" fly fishing" and can't begin to "scratch the surface" I might suggest a class in stream ecology.
 
#67
So if you hunt you have no respect for the animals or the environment unless you use a bow???? And only a moron would use gear to fish....all real fishermen use flies??? That's awesome dude.......hate to tell you but any moron can learn to use a bow or fly fish as well, get over yourself.
You totally misconstrued my post. So I will break it down for you so you can understand :D. Guns have made killing too easy period. Some people have no respect for life whether human or animal . You can shoot elk from 500 yards away. Where is the skill in that??? What I am saying is if you exclusively hunt with a bow, that person would respect life much more because that person has more patience, has put in many more miles of footwork, and will have had to develop a certain skill set to be an efficient bow hunter. There is no instant gratification in bow hunting. So when you finally do take an animal you would have much more appreciation for the hunt. So yes I am against hunting if the attitude of the hunter is to kill off wolves so they can shoot more elk. I am glad elk are more spooky. I would be too if there was a wolf on my ankles and some idiot out there shooting anything moving. Your right about one thing any moron can learn to use a bow or fly fish...after all you did right :cool: ...but when those morons are unsuccessful they seem to go back to what is easiest for them. So I will keep browsing the classifieds for deals posted by those who have given up on fly fishing.
 

scottr

Active Member
#68
The problem here is not the sport of fishing. The real issue is the invention of the modern fly rod. Modern fly rods make the taking of trout (or char) much easier than mankind has ever experienced in nature. Fly fishermen have no respect for the trout they take or the environment in which they live. I say this because anyone can catch a fish 70 yards away without having to break a sweat. All they care about is the catch. If a fisherman has to compete with another fisherman they want to eliminate the competition. When real fisherman had nothing to use but their brain to fish, they came up with very clever ways to catch prey: the rock, sticks, hell even live bait. More importantly you had to have a certain level of respect for nature otherwise you simply did not eat. If fly fisherman are so good at their craft then why do they not exclusively use cane and silk? Any moron can catch something on a thingambobber; it does not take a genius to cast and drift a nymph. But it would be too much work having to cast, dead drift, and catch your trout if you catch anything at all. Hell every person I have meet who fly fishes looks like they would get winded just having to walk to their mail box. Same comparison as drift boat vs pontoon anglers. Any moron can backrow a riffle and effortlessly catch fish. I've gone years nymph fishing and haven't even begun to scratch the surface. Don't get me wrong I have nothing against dry flies. I have even thought about using them. Just if I take it up I will use 7X and keep a spinning rod in case I run into a bass or carp. jmho
Hey Nate I fixed this for you.
 
#69
Mr. Buchanan, please post your hunting experience if you're going to tell us all how hunting works. If someone is going to tell me what I'm all about based on the equipment I use, I'd at least like to know where they came upon their wealth of knowledge.
Fly fishing vs. gear, rifle vs. bow, the guys who score regularly do it because they know what the fuck they're doing and not because of their gear.
 

dflett68

Active Member
#71
I guess I a bit confused about this subject. What was the idea behind the reintroduction of the wolves in the first place? Nature seemed to be functioning well without them.

I am aware that wolves are interesting and social animals among their own kind, but they are hell on livestock, which is a source of human food. In light of feeding a growing population, I question the wisdom of introducing a competitor to the food chain.
i'm pretty sure the "growing population" in this country (where else do they manipulate selected species and call it conservation, rather than manipulate their own habits in order to conserve?) is fed almost entirely by factory farms. i would think it's a very small percentage of people who pay the premium to enjoy the kind of cattle/chickens/pigs/sheep that a wolf can get to. maybe i'm wrong about this. but the "growing population" is our biggest ecological and economical problem of all.
 

Old Man

Just an Old Man
#72
A few of you mentioned about not eating Sheep. How many of you like lamb. If let to grow it will become a Sheep. Besides People used to eat sheep, then they quit eating them and now they are starting to eat Mutton again.

You all should quit worrying about Wolves in your back yard. After all, man is trying to pave the whole United States. We have encroached upon all the wild things habitat over the last century. So now the wild things have come into your back yard and your all pissed about it.
 
#73
You totally misconstrued my post. So I will break it down for you so you can understand :D. Guns have made killing too easy period. Some people have no respect for life whether human or animal . You can shoot elk from 500 yards away. Where is the skill in that??? What I am saying is if you exclusively hunt with a bow, that person would respect life much more because that person has more patience, has put in many more miles of footwork, and will have had to develop a certain skill set to be an efficient bow hunter. There is no instant gratification in bow hunting. So when you finally do take an animal you would have much more appreciation for the hunt. So yes I am against hunting if the attitude of the hunter is to kill off wolves so they can shoot more elk. I am glad elk are more spooky. I would be too if there was a wolf on my ankles and some idiot out there shooting anything moving. Your right about one thing any moron can learn to use a bow or fly fish...after all you did right :cool: ...but when those morons are unsuccessful they seem to go back to what is easiest for them. So I will keep browsing the classifieds for deals posted by those who have given up on fly fishing.
So now I am a moron because I picked up fly fishing and don't agree with your post regarding hunters and gear fishermen? You are a funny guy.....you did not say some hunters you said "hunters" as in all and you stated "any moron can chuck gear" meaning what? If you use gear to fish you are a moron??? I am sure you have made so many 500 yard shots that you know just how "easy" it is. One of us is a moron and given your posts it's easy enough to see who that is.
 
#74
My, My. This has become a very emotional issue. Lots of hot buttons out there.

Wolves gotta live too, but then every other living thing feels that same way. Odd isn't it.

Sky soldier, I like your avatar casting the tight loop. Do you offer instructions. :D