Would you stop fishing? (Steelhead)

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Panhandle, Feb 6, 2008.

  1. Freestone

    Freestone Not to be confused with freestoneangler

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    Tim, I made that decision too. It’s pretty hard to maintain the illusion that C&R is ok when you hook an endangered steelhead deep and it bleeds to death in your hands and it's all you can do not to puke or cry in front of your friends. Really puts things in perspective fast and puts you off ever wanting to risk contributing to their extinction again...
     
  2. mike doughty

    mike doughty Honorary Member

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    even if i fished for them onn a regular basis, absolutely. there are other species to fish for
     
  3. WaFlyCaster

    WaFlyCaster Tricoptera

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    Yes.. I have the same feeling. Also would want all the money that went to hatchery steelhead put towards improving habitat... removing passage barriers... dams.. etc. as well as eliminating potention pollution sources... and stopping the crazy developement of businesses and housing developements that are WAYYY too close to rivers.
     
  4. HauntedByWaters

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    I feel you man, this has never happened to me but it would really mess me up.

    However, isn't it crazy that you felt that way about your mortally wounded fish and yet there are nets in the river fishing for them...and that you can order them and eat them at a restaurant in Seattle.....Doesn't that make you 100X as messed up?

    Like I say it has never happened to me but the things mentioned above mess me up BIG TIME.

    I changed my opinion from yesterday, I would happily give up fishing for steelhead under the right circumstances (some of the ones mentioned above)....but those circumstances will NEVER occur.
     
  5. Steelie Mike

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    Yes, but I think I would have a hard time fishing for carp with all of my spey rods and gear.
     
  6. Josh

    Josh dead in the water

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    I'm like most everyone else. I would do it in a heartbeat, as long as I was convinced that the other "pieces of the pie" were making the same sacrifice.

    Also as LD said: "better enforcement, I so not want to stop so poachers have more fish"
     
  7. Josh

    Josh dead in the water

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    I dunno..."Carpie Mike" has a nice ring to it.
     
  8. troutfanatic

    troutfanatic A day not spent wasted is.....wasted.

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    iagree I have all the same concerns plus one. No brood stock program. Oregon fish and wildlife did a study on brood stock and found that the survivability rate of brood stock decrease by roughly 40% each successive generation.

    I think if we had ten years it would be back on stable ground provided all of the above is done. 10 years is at least a couple generations of fish.
     
  9. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    I stopped years ago and for exactly the same reason.

    Decide for yourself just where the buck stops. If it's with someone or somewhere else, you're part of the problem.

    K
     
  10. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    kent and tim, all the recovering native steelhead thank you.
     
  11. Bruce Davidson

    Bruce Davidson formerly hatman

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    Yes, for most of the reasons, and with most of the caveats listed above. It would probably mean, at my age, never fishing for them again, but the prospect of knowing natives no longer swim our rivers is far more painful than never fishing for them again.
     
  12. Nooksack Mac

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    My, aren't we all good, obedient little citizens?:rolleyes:

    Actually, I am too; have been all my life. But there are limits. Might it just be that I have a natural right to fish for the greatest of freshwater game fish (in this part of the world, anyway)? (Perhaps that's included under Article 9 of the Bill of Rights - the one that everybody forgets.) If it's true that "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed," then perhaps that's the point at which I withdraw my consent. Remember the words of the Indian chief, who said, "If you stop us from hunting, then we will hunt mice; for we are hunters."

    At the least, we should demand that the authorities design ways of at least quasi-fishing, methods that would do no harm to the fish. How about allowing fishing with hooks that are not only barbless but pointless? I'd settle for an occasional tug on my spayed spey fly.

    But if the authorities are as adament and uncompromising as government decisions occasionally are, if I had to carve out my own small niche of freedom in an unfree world, then maybe I'd dress in ghillie camoflauge, and use spare tackle that I could stand to have confiscated.

    But I'd still fish barbless.
     
  13. Kevin Giusti

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    Whoo! What a question! I read this when panhandle first posted. Ive had dinner,desert read some of the responses and thought about what my choice would be. And in all honesty I dont think I could do it. Maybe for ten years but twenty honestly no. Yes I am a selfish steelhead junky, I ADMIT IT! So think of me what you may but please continue reading.Certainly I dont catch a ton of fish every year. I do practice catch and release. Im a relative small pea in a big pot. But even a small pea is part of the big stew. If I were to give it up for even the ten years I would have to be certain that all the ingredients of the ENTIRE steelhead stew be properly prepped simmered and given time to cook. From every pea and carrot to the big chunks of potatoes and meat and of course the gravy. So that in those ten years of simmering all that prepping of ingredients and simmering time would all blend together to make the BEST STEELHEAD STEW POSSIBLE!! And during those ten years I would do all that I could to prep the ingredients and check in on the progress of the stew. It would keep me close to the steelhead and the streams and rivers that mean so much to me. When I really think about why it would be so hard for me its not the actual fighting and landing of the fish. Sure its a great thrill to hook land and release such a great fish I wont deny that. Steelheading is a REALLY big part of my life. It keeps me sane although many think what I do is completely INSANE!@The same people ask "did ya catch anything" and most often the ansewer is NO> followed by "why would you go out and stand in a river all day waving around a pole with a line and a fly on the end of it and not even catch anything! Sounds pretty lame to me!" well Id rather go and tie some flies for the next day of fishing rather than try to explain to them how the lighting on the river was as the sun came up and the mist on river began to rise. Or how it felt to make that hard cast and then mend and manipulate my line and fly just right to get it to fish through that good holding area just right. Or that feeling you get when your fly is really driving in a swing and all your senses are on high alert because you know what can happen at any second. The feeling of fishing a run really well,fish or no fish. finding a nice spot in the sun to lay back and take an afternoon break and thinking "man this sure beats the couch" Steelheading offers me so much more than just catching a fish. It gives me confidence it gives me focus it gives me a drive that I can put to use in other parts of my life. Putting in hours of focused fishing without as much as a little pull yet having to keep that focus and confidence that Im doing it right its gonna happen its gonna happen.... And when that grab finally comes theres a great sense of accomplishment. Now if you told me I could still go out and fish for steelhead only that I could ONLY use flies with no hooks or the hook bends cut off, well you can sign me up for life on that one. Which raises another question for me?? Man panhandle you really got me thinking on this one! I hope you can all see where I stand and why. And if you care to think of me as a selfish steelheader you are entitled to your opinion. This question has me looking at my own opinion of myself also. Kevin
     
  14. BFK

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    Actually, I've stopped too.

    The current timing of my work schedule keeps me off the rivers when the brats are in, and I won't chase natives in a catch-and-release season. I believe it is hypocritical for those who do and then want to "ensure that wild steelhead survive." Fishing on those stocks is killing some of them, assuming, of course you actually catch one.

    That is one reason I'd like to see expanded hatchery programs in those systems and streams where wild fish stocks are extirpated or past the point of reasonable recovery. By enlightened hatchery management, we might actually have steelhead to fish in more rivers for more of the year.

    And by doing that, we'll gain more anglers as advocates. Another benefit would be a stronger infrastructure for fishermen: more little fly shops able to stay open. Without fishing in this state, we'll all be buying from catalogs, whether we want to or not.
     
  15. Chris DeLeone

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    Lets turn this around a little, we have the two S rivers that you can't fish when the natives are in - the Sky (for almost ten years) and the Stilly about the same, has that helped the runs to return? Wenatchee to name another. Each basin is different and has its own specific issues -understood, but lets look big picture: WE DON'T FISH THESE RUNS.

    Please present a river in Washington that has stopped a catch and release fishery and has brought back wild runs...

    Do you think the commerical guys are losing sleep over this question? NOPE.

    Lets look at Florida for a quick second - They stopped the netting and pushed the commerical fleet off shore and their numbers came back. Stop the nets (non treaty and Indian) for ten years and let the Sportmen's dollar pay for the habitat restoration. I don't understand the "sportmens fault" thing - I think if we give our fishing rights away we will never get them back.

    I'm sure thousands of pounds of Wild Steelhead are by-catch in commerical fleets each year - its against the law to have a steelhead game fish on a boat in Washington. So what do the boats do - Man overboard. The state knows it happens (their dirty little secret) and has no way of documenting it. A known UNKNOWN - Let me repeat, the state has no way of documenting how many Steelhead are killed in non-treaty nets each year - Treaty nets, YES.

    Try to find out how NOAA is documenting the number of wild ESA listed Steelhead that are killed in the Chinook Columbia commerical fishery. I have looked and can't find a thing -
    If I am wrong or off base on this, please inform me. I welcome the education

    I would not support it -
    DeLe