'Best click and pawl ever made, maybe best reel ever made'
A dressed up Marquis the best ever? Compared to what? A stamped medalist? You have got to be kidding, right? Have you/do you ever use anything besides out of production pro-formed Sage rods and reels? Why don't you share a list of other reels that you have extensively studied and used to be able to make this outlandish claim?
So it pays to know what your talking about before spewing off your mouth at someone.
Since you brought it up I am extremely qualified to make the statement I did. I've owned or used just about every major manufacturer's reels in the past 25 years, from a Bogdan to an inexpensive SA 4/5/6. You name it I've used it. Charlton, peerless, McNeese, Okuma, Streamline, Hardy, Pfluger, Young, Pate, whatever. Those old sage reels were made by hardy and are machined (a St. George on steroids) not stamped or cast, have extra strong springs and pawls, and are a great value - they cost about the same used as they did new even with about 20 years of inflation. All the ones I own were bought off e-bay. They are nice and tight and last forever. What more could you want?
Give me a break. I have an opinion, if you don't like it, too bad.:beathead: If you have some valuable input, we're waiting to hear it, othewise go back to your cave and leave me alone.
as a longtime user of the 500 series, I love them, yet agree they're just gussied up Marquis reels. ok, machined (bfd). The handles on sub-509s are too small - while proportionally ok on the 503 and 504, they remain annoyingly small in practice. The biggest advantage is no plastic drag adjustment knob to get stripped out, and that happens on the Marquis sometimes, but the reel is fundamentally a gussied up Marquis. Not nearly as smooth as a bearing reel, but their weight is right to balance lightweight graphite rods compared to many higher end classics. The orig CFO are other nice reels and fundamentally similar, and I them just as much if not more for simplicity and lightweight w/o that bronze flash, except they also suffer from dinky handles in the sub-VI sizes. A non-bearing reel will only ever be marginally smooth, but I can't recall ever losing a fish because a reel lacked bearings.
Like I said inland, I'm we're all still waiting for some valuable input.These forums are here to express opinions and help each other out, not for taking pot shots at other people. I love those reels and if you don't like it well then too bad.
Pot shots at what? Your claim that everything you do and say is the best? While everybody that disagrees with your POV is an idiot? All because you used to guide in Alaska and had your gear at pro-form price?
After all you stated about the reels you use(d)...why does that make you qualified to make the claim that Hardy/Sage 500 series reels are the best ever made spring-n-pawl and possibly best reel ever made? What criteria are you using to judge this? You made the claim, not me. I never said I didn't like them- you keep assuming. I just want to know what makes them the best ever? I have every bit the background with reels, TJ, and more. But thank you. I can hardly make the claim as to which one is 'best ever'. There are many great reels. I see some as better for reasons others might not. It's really a personal thing that has no bearing on what you or anyone else should think.
Not looking for a pissing match, but I thought the Sage 500 series had the kind of spring arrangement that the St. George and St. John have. Do they have the same spring arrangement as the Marquis series?