Yakima River Temperatures

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  1. Skysoldier

    Skysoldier Trout Hunter

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    Gabe in 30+ years fishing you have likely killed fish, its a fact of life. Believe it or don't, you have made it clear that you are going to do whatever you feel no matter what the data shows so why continue to post on this thread? Are you that hung up on showing everyone how right you are?

    Ok I believe you.......in the 30 or so years you have been at it no fish has ever died from your actions. Feel better now?
     
  2. Jerry Daschofsky

    Jerry Daschofsky Moderator Staff Member

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    BTW, I'll openly admit I've probably killed the most fish of most on the board. ;)
     
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    WHAT are you guys thinking? REALLY?? Punturing its flesh with a hook, dragging the fish into a net or on the beach and then releasing it.
    If you dont plan on eating the fish, leave them alone to live in peace, harassing them just for your own amusement/paychecks should be illegal.

    The writing above was done as a joke...

    Splitting hairs should be left to barbers.
     
  4. PT

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    This isn't really splitting hairs. I used to fish Lenice quite a bit during the summer. I had stillwaters pretty well dialed in and did very well. But, I did notice every now and then a fish would dive to bottom and get hung up in the grass. Knowing full well that I was killing a fish every now and then was ok with me because I was sure that most were very healthy after release. My fisheries changed and I didn't spend much time lake fishing after the decade or so when I fished that area a lot.

    But, I started hearing more and more about how water temps affect a fishes ability to recover and now know that I killed way more fish than I had thought. Can I live with myself for doing that? Sure. But, I also learned along the way that what I was doing was wrong in my own eyes. Just because I saw the fish swim away, seemingly very strong, doesn't mean it was still alive an hour later. It only meant that it swam away strong at that time.

    We all evolve how we approach our fisheries and adjust to information that we receive. It seems the troll in this thread knows what he knows from 30 years ago. Hell, I knew what 2+2 equaled when I was 5..... I'd have missed out on a lot of things if I had stopped learning then.
     
  5. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    My post stands solidly on a foundation backed by science, surveys and logic.
    You think that was bad? Smart ass? You thought I was better than that? Not sure what you are referring to there, but I'm better at realizing that I'm more realistic than you are and I'm more willing to accept the fact, in this blood sport of catch and release, that I put pressure on and have caused the death of fish. Come out of your golden tower and off you bejeweled throne, the real world awaits your arrival. We won't bow to your impossible claims of no dead fish in thirty years, and we won't soften the blow that we don't buy your line of bullshit for a moment.

    Temps rise, fish rise. Fish eat flies, fish dies. Believe it. If you fish when temps are high and oxygen is low, you are part of the problem.
     
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    Well said Ed, we all have to use some common sense no one can claim zero kill C & R .
    Kelly Michelsen
     
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    The guy is just trolling the web. Nothing more, nothing less.
     
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  8. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    We opted to skip the fishing this weekend and instead, drove over to Moses Lake to see the litter of yellow labs from which will be bringing home a female pup in 3 weeks... my wife wants them all :eek:. We stopped at the S. Cle Elum bridge and walked downstream along the levee... much lower than I thought. Now I'm wondering if I should fish that section next week or head elsewhere?

    Oh... and gabe0430...if you think Ed Call is a smart ass now, you should have known him when he was Mumbles :D
     
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    For those that maybe interested in some information on this topic I refer them to

    "Effects of Catch-and-Release Angling on salmonids at Elevated Temperatures"

    From North American Journal of Fisheries Management 30: 898-907, 2010

    By Boyd, Guy, Horton and Leathe

    Work was done in Montana and fish were caught by angling and held in-river in live cages for 72 hours at several different temperatures. The short version - for rainbows no mortality seen for fish who were caught (late afternoon/evenings) at temperatures below 20 degrees C (63 F). However at temperatures above 23 degrees C (68 F) on the Gallatin river the mortality was 16% and on the Smith it was 9%.

    In other words it would be reasonable to expect that at the kinds of temperature being discussed on this thread it would be reasonable to expect at least a 10% mortality of those fish being caught and released. I will leave that to each of you to decide whether that is significant and whether that sort of increased mortality is enough modify your behavior.

    Curt
     
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    Maybe not a troll; but, definitely a TOOL. Just because you released it doesn't mean it lived.
     
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    No...Science. High water temps and fishing = dead fish. Read a few peer-reviewed and published studies; and, you might find your story is really pretty sad...for the fish anyway.
     
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