Yarnies - Love or Hate?

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by flyfishmt, Nov 10, 2013.

  1. Randall Clark

    Randall Clark Active Member

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    Not really sure why side drifting is even part of the argument, especially since you're not casting at all, just drift, mend, drift mend, set...repeat. Personally, I'm talking about hiking the river, casting my flies using the line to get them out there...sometimes not using an indi...errr uh bobber, sometimes not. Who cares how they market it or what they call it? Someone saw an opening in the market to make some money, can't really fault them for that...not to mention trying to make something that already worked, better. Just like the development of various lines and shooting heads for TH rods. Take the Skagit lines for example, meant to turn over 15' of type 8 (to get that half chicken down) plus a half chicken...made it much easier than simply throwing a dry line and using ones skill in mending and line management to get that fly down into the zone...

    Regardless of which camp you're in, people are trying to make fishing more effective.

    ....and we're back to the beginning of this thread pretty much...
     
  2. David Dalan

    David Dalan 69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E

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    I'll probably catch shit for this, but I think nymphing without a float can be way more effective but takes a lot more time become proficient. It takes more work to dial in your setup and you must really have a handle on line control or you are going to spend the day feeding flies to the river Gods. Think Kaufman Stones rolling through rocks.

    I think the Doug Rose article makes basically the same statement about swinging. It's less effective and can take a longer time to master. I personally think it is actually on the top of the list in effectiveness for warm weather summer runs (especially wild ones) and for summer trout, but in colder water the amount of precision needed to make it regularly effective is WAY higher.

    I for one completely understand why someone would float fish (i.e. indicator nymph) or drift fish (dredging with tips and or splitshot). "Because I want to" is all the reason that there needs to be. If you want to call yourself a fly angler, do it. Some people will say "yep you are" and some will say "hell no you aren't."

    I mean, there is a school that considers dry flies as the ONLY true fly fishing. All else is an abomination.

    I'll close with the same thing I have said before...I'm not trashing how anyone fishes.
     
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  3. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    I am a steelhead fly fisherman and I have caught lots of steelhead while fly fishing. I have caught almost all of my fly caught steelhead while wade fishing and casting with a fly line to move my equipment out to a seam. My equipment almost always includes an indicator and weighted flies and on occasion a small split shot. If you adamantly continue to say that that is not fly fishing, I will continue to just laugh at you. I am not offended by your opinion, I just think it is ridiculous. You plain make me laugh. Please continue to make me laugh, I'm enjoying the entertainment. The idea that suddenly and indicator no longer makes it fly fishing, that some self proclaimed "elitists" feel they have the gonads to be the gods that make that decision is just as I said before, laughable.

    Now randomly take a sample of 100 people and bring them out and have them watch me fish and ask them what type of fishing I'm doing. I imagine that an over whelming number of them will say I am fly fishing. Now take a random sample of fisherman (not just fly guys) and do the same thing, again over whelmingly I bet they'll say I'm fly fishing. Now take a bunch of self proclaimed fly fisherman (well at least 80% of the time anyway) and once again, I bet that I'm called a fly guy again. Now continue this process until we make it to just people who swing and now we might run into a situation where the percentage drops to less than 50%. Ha ha ha, I'm not a fly fisherman, ha ha ha. I just can't stop smiling. Sopflyfisherman, thanks for keeping this joke rolling!
     
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    I don't care.
     
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  5. Ringlee

    Ringlee Doesn't care how you fish Moderator

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    Been swinging these for years now...
     

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  6. Charles Sullivan

    Charles Sullivan dreaming through the come down

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    I would say that fishing with an indicator and shot is not flyfishing.

    I would also point out that there is a difference between having standards and being an elitist.

    You are welcome for the entertainment.

    Go Sox,
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    I like how the jungle cock nails make it okay.
     
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  8. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    Blah ha ha ha ha, blah ha ha ha! So you are an elitist then? Standards?
     
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    I like catching steelhead there fore I use yarnie!
     
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    Everytime I read this thread it makes me cry into my tweeds, silk lines and Hardy reels.
     
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    We all have personal standards. We must choose where the line needs to be drawn. For my personal standards..... if 99.9% of guys on the bighorn are "attaching" splitshot and bobbers to their line, they are not fly fishing...They are gear fishing with fly rods. To take it one step further, I usually do a three day float trip down the Deschutes fishing for trout every year. I take my floating fly line for "fly fishing", and my centerpin for "nymphing". Needless to say, I out fished all the flylines throwing bobbers and shot. All the boys laughed at me....in the beginning,.... then they were all asking for lessons on how to cast, and how much, and where to get one etc etc.
     
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    You should write news stories for MSNBC or Fox News. Nobody body tosses a half a chicken with any rod. In fact there are many that go as far as to limit the size of their hooks believing large hooks can cause unnecessary harm to the fish. Personally I won't use a hook larger than 1.5. No way to tie up a half chicken on a 1.5 hook. I know some that think 1.5 is to big. I won't use a stinger hook for the same reason. These are personal choices just as the way I prefer to fish is.

    I will listen to others opinions and insights and make my personal choices on fishing techniques based on what I learn from my peers and how I personally feel about the methods available to me. If I were fishing with someone that uses a different method, even one that I might not choose to use myself I certainly would not condemn them for it. I might question their chosen method and even offer my own views. I certainly would not stop fishing with them and if they had beer I would drink with them if they offered to share. Well, I wouldn't drink it but for other reasons and not because of a simple difference in fishing methods or how we defined those methods.

    To each their own. A day on the river is to rare for me to have it ruined by a simple difference in opinion. And that is all these discussions are; opinions.
     
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    ...a kid learning to ride a bike with training wheels on it. 100% of them will say that kid is riding a bike. It's probably super cute too.

    Your ridiculous metaphors and phantom polls are just as entertaining. Keep 'em coming and keep the laughs rolling in.

    Gear fishing is cool. Fly fishing is cool. Bobbers are gear....and that's cool. Jeez.


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  15. Randall Clark

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    That's just my point, if you read the other posts....just as not all swinging is created equal, not all nymphing is created equal.

    The guy throwing a 700gr head with a 4" weighted intruder (better?) on a 15, sink tip certainly isn't fishing the same way a guy with a size 1 Spey-style fly on a long leader...this any more than the guy side drifting his 7 split shot (where was the Fox/MSNBC comment when that came up? That sounds just as ridiculous as tossing a half chicken) and bobber vs the guy hiking in and fishing his lightly weighted nymph under a small float.

    Just as you say there are plenty of guys who limit the size of their hooks and don't use stingers, there are guys who nymph who limit their flies, don't use split shot, use shorter rods that make it more difficult to reach certain water...I know I do.

    These types of threads are always circular and go nowhere...but, they always provide some good entertainment.

    It used to be only that people swing because of the take, people threw nymphs under a bobber because they enjoy the visual aspect of it and that was that. Now, it always turns into a pissing contest about why one method is sooooo much better than the other and held in much higher regard...

    To each their own...I do know this, when I'm out on the river, I give everyone, Gear guys, swingers, nymphers plenty of room and would be happy to share a beer with any of them because generally speaking, once you get those guys away from the keyboard and out on the river, they're actually pretty cool.
     
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