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...a kid learning to ride a bike with training wheels on it. 100% of them will say that kid is riding a bike. It's probably super cute too.

Your ridiculous metaphors and phantom polls are just as entertaining. Keep 'em coming and keep the laughs rolling in.

Gear fishing is cool. Fly fishing is cool. Bobbers are gear....and that's cool. Jeez.


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;) ....Attaching gear to fly lines = training wheels. ....take the training wheels off, and flyfish.
 

Irafly

Indi "Ira" Jones
...a kid learning to ride a bike with training wheels on it. 100% of them will say that kid is riding a bike. It's probably super cute too.

Your ridiculous metaphors and phantom polls are just as entertaining. Keep 'em coming and keep the laughs rolling in.

Gear fishing is cool. Fly fishing is cool. Bobbers are gear....and that's cool. Jeez.


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Yes bobbers are gear, just as an eagle is a bird but that doesn't make it any less of an eagle does it? (I tried to make it funny for you, but I'm a bit under the weather this morning, I'll try better next time.)

If people want to take the definition this far and suddenly an indicator/bobber is gear (if it is bobbing you are doing it wrong by the way), than so is every other thing we use, it is all "gear", everything is gear, your rod is gear, your line is gear, your backing, etc..., it is all gear. Under that definition, it is hard to argue, under that definition I am a gear fisherman and so is everyone else on here and we might as well call this WashingtonGearFishing.com.

It's funny, TallFlyGuy has a signature up above stating that anything attached to the fly line makes it gear, so leader is gear? Tippet is gear? Backing is gear? Florocarbon, because it sinks is gear? You see what I mean, ridiculous. An indicator, really? I've decided to try my current steelhead set up, just as it is on my spinning rod with my spinning reel, no fly line. I'll attach an indicator and two small flies, to the end and I will try to cast it. Then I will take one of swinging pattern monsters and I will try to cast that. I wonder which one will go farther? Hmmm. Ok, the swinging thing went farther, enough farther to indicate significance (about 10'), it seems like that pattern actually helped me cast where my indicator made it more difficult to cast. So I need my fly line to cast my set up with any form of efficiency and people throwing some of those other patterns don't need it as much. I imagine if I tried real hard I could eventually catch a fish on my spinning rod with my set up with no modification, maybe that should be my new standard/handicap, my new ethical high horse, you know make it harder for myself to catch a fish so I can claim that I'm a true fisherman and all those other folks are knuckle draggers.

We could of course take this back to the origins of the sport, and everyone not using an approximate 6' chunk of stick and the same approximate amount of line with red wool and waxed colored feathers attached to a hook are not fly fishing. Dang if the sport doesn't evolve and some people evolve with and others stoop themselves in tradition. I bet they still only listen to records of the classic composers and call other forms of listening something else, but it certainly isn't music. (Was that one better?)
 

Irafly

Indi "Ira" Jones
;) ....Attaching gear to fly rods = training wheels. ....take the training wheels off, and flyfish.

No more leader for you! No more weighted patterns! No more backing! I like it TallFlyGuy, I like it. It will be interesting to see what you decided to use as "Fly LIne". Wait did you say ..."Attaching gear to fly rods..." Oh awesome, no fly reels either. I can't wait to watch this. When you get tired trying, I'll have a cold one waiting for you.
 

PT

Physhicist
If people want to take the definition this far and suddenly an indicator/bobber is gear (if it is bobbing you are doing it wrong by the way),
Nobody is saying it's wrong, only that they don't consider it flyfishing. The regs don't consider a bobber and shot to be flyfishing, either. Within your entire argument, keep that in mind.

Someone also said indicator fisherman prefer the visual aspect of fishing. I'd say that's true with the hardcore vertical guys. Not so with the vast majority of steelhead "nymphers." They're just looking for a grab and that's the easiest way to get one. Nothing wrong with that but why get upset that many don't consider it flyfishing? It ain't.
 

Irafly

Indi "Ira" Jones
Nobody is saying it's wrong, only that they don't consider it flyfishing. The regs don't consider it flyfishing either. Within your entire argument, keep that in mind.

Someone also said indicator fisherman prefer the visual aspect of fishing. I'd say that's true with the hardcore vertical guys. Not so with the vast majority of steelhead "nymphers." They're just looking for a grab and that's the easiest way to get one. Nothing wrong with that but why get upset that many don't consider it flyfishing? It ain't.
You are right the regs do not specifically indicate that an indicator is part of fly fishing, but they also do not specifically say that it is not. If you are referring to the one part that talks about adding weight to the line, the state does not consider a floating indicator that does not include weight (to help with the cast) a weight attached to the line. In fact if you ask at the state level they will make it quite clear that there is nothing wrong with an indicator in fly fishing only waters, the state considers indicator fishing fly fishing, so keep that in mind.
 

Irafly

Indi "Ira" Jones
It's all gear... but there is fly gear and there is conventional gear, heck there is even commercial gear.

fly fishing is a word or phrase if you like in the English language and therefore it has a definition if it didn't have a definition then the idea wouldn't exist. Because it has a definition it cannot be different for every person. Because of modern technology and out of peoples desperation to be successful the gear used in fly fishing has changed a lot. It's changed so much that in many cases it is unrecognizable.
Therefore we much define fly fishing by the one two parts that have not changed
1. the cast The fly line must be the energizing force in the cast
2. the offering presented must be a fly. a hook with decorations lashed to it with string.

end of debate

I almost completely agree, in fact this is the point I keep trying to make adding an indicator does not change this definition.
 
Yes bobbers are gear, just as an eagle is a bird but that doesn't make it any less of an eagle does it? (I tried to make it funny for you, but I'm a bit under the weather this morning, I'll try better next time.)

If people want to take the definition this far and suddenly an indicator/bobber is gear (if it is bobbing you are doing it wrong by the way), than so is every other thing we use, it is all "gear", everything is gear, your rod is gear, your line is gear, your backing, etc..., it is all gear. Under that definition, it is hard to argue, under that definition I am a gear fisherman and so is everyone else on here and we might as well call this WashingtonGearFishing.com.

It's funny, TallFlyGuy has a signature up above stating that anything attached to the fly line makes it gear, so leader is gear? Tippet is gear? Backing is gear? Florocarbon, because it sinks is gear? You see what I mean, ridiculous. An indicator, really? I've decided to try my current steelhead set up, just as it is on my spinning rod with my spinning reel, no fly line. I'll attach an indicator and two small flies, to the end and I will try to cast it. Then I will take one of swinging pattern monsters and I will try to cast that. I wonder which one will go farther? Hmmm. Ok, the swinging thing went farther, enough farther to indicate significance (about 10'), it seems like that pattern actually helped me cast where my indicator made it more difficult to cast. So I need my fly line to cast my set up with any form of efficiency and people throwing some of those other patterns don't need it as much. I imagine if I tried real hard I could eventually catch a fish on my spinning rod with my set up with no modification, maybe that should be my new standard/handicap, my new ethical high horse, you know make it harder for myself to catch a fish so I can claim that I'm a true fisherman and all those other folks are knuckle draggers.

We could of course take this back to the origins of the sport, and everyone not using an approximate 6' chunk of stick and the same approximate amount of line with red wool and waxed colored feathers attached to a hook are not fly fishing. Dang if the sport doesn't evolve and some people evolve with and others stoop themselves in tradition. I bet they still only listen to records of the classic composers and call other forms of listening something else, but it certainly isn't music. (Was that one better?)

Backing, tippet, leader, floro....all part of the fly line....Next
 

Irafly

Indi "Ira" Jones
Backing, tippet, leader, floro....all part of the fly line....Next
Oh, so you buy it from the fly shop already attached, I see! So long leaders/line on a spinning spool is all part of the fly line. I get it now, my bad! So if I could buy a fly line with an indicator attached, Then I'm fly fishing again, cool. Oh wait they sell those don't they. I guess you don't consider those "fly lines" to actually be "fly lines". Must be nice to be Webster, after all that is what he ultimately wanted to do, manipulate the way people perceived their world.
 
No more leader for you! No more weighted patterns! No more backing! I like it TallFlyGuy, I like it. It will be interesting to see what you decided to use as "Fly LIne". Wait did you say ..."Attaching gear to fly rods..." Oh awesome, no fly reels either. I can't wait to watch this. When you get tired trying, I'll have a cold one waiting for you.

OH thanks for pointing that out. I changed it to fly line, and in my definition, adding line to fly line is still considered fly line, weather it be t-14, or backing , or tippet etc.
 
Oh, so you buy it from the fly shop already attached, I see! So long leaders/line on a spinning spool is all part of the fly line. I get it now, my bad! So if I could buy a fly line with an indicator attached, Then I'm fly fishing again, cool. Oh wait they sell those don't they. I guess you don't consider those "fly lines" to actually be "fly lines". Must be nice to be Webster, after all that is what he ultimately wanted to do, manipulate the way people perceived their world.

Just admit it....Gear on your fly line is your drug...like crack...When confronted and having this online intervention of sorts....Its freaking you out... Relax.. Take a deep breath and embrace life without the drugs... You can do it!!