On the flip side, there are different standards. I know guys who look down and are disgusted by others using "skagit" lines. others who refuse to use anything other than floating lines. others who refuse to use anything other than traditional non weighted flies on floating lines...for both summer and winter steelhead. Should we all feel lessened and "not worthy" because of this? This summer, my sons and I were fly fishing a lake, casting toward shore. We got tired and decided to "attach" some split shot on our lines and row/troll around the lake. AT that point we considered ourselves "gear" fishing with fly rods, and we were ok with that. Nothing wrong with it, we had fun, caught fish etc. Obviously, others here in this discussion would consider that still "fly-fishing". We all have different standards and viewpoints. When these standards and viewpoints do not match up or align just right, we have disagreement and conflict.....and thus 14 pages of entertainment.