You can't have it both ways!

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Bob Triggs, Jun 6, 2012.

  1. 5shot

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    I always like to know where the advice comes from...especially when it is basically telling everyone how incompetent they are.

    I am guessing you have never run a retail sales business that involved stocking hundreds of items, yet you seem to have it all dialed in.
     
  2. bennysbuddy

    bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

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    I bought alot of fly gear there, And never reliezed that it was a club
     
  3. kmac

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    I buy from both my local fly shop and online as well as the big box stores. But I have to say that I buy more than 50% of my stuff at the fly shop. The guy who comes in and tries on shoes, waders etc, but then buys it online will likely be back to buy something else in the shop. Also, he might have a gift card to Amazon or Cabelas that someone gave him and he is using it for fly fishing stuff. My mother in law gives me an Amazon gift card for my birthday every year because "they have everything you could want". I've asked me wife to convince her that a Visa gift card would allow me to buy "anything I could ever want" from a local retailer, but she's a hard one to get her to change her mind.
    As for "added value" my local fly shop has included a barbershop in the back corner (my new go-to place for a hair cut), a cafe and additional non-fishing stuff (ammo, hunting and camping gear, outdoor theme home decorating stuff and a toy area for the kiddies). I've thought a bar and cigar store would also be a good inclusion:).
     
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  4. Jason Rolfe

    Jason Rolfe Wanderer

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    It seems to me that what bothers everyone--myself included--is simply the fact that our fly shops are slowly disappearing.

    Regardless of all the other crap that has been spouted on this thread--especially by this BR fellow--I think most of us can agree that it will be a sad day when we don't have anymore fly shops to walk into, shoot the shit, buy a couple flies, a book, some waders.

    The sad fact is, it's happening all over. People can say, "Shop owners should do this or that!" But in reality, more and more consumers are shopping online now, so that even though there are many of us trying to support our local fly shops, we aren't enough. I've seen it happen recently with a local used bookstore--which is a place that you think would do fine in the age of Amazon. But alas, they had to close the doors because just weren't going in there to buy their books anymore. If you ask me, people are just too damned afraid of human contact. Everyone loves poking each other on facebook, texting, etc. When did it become so hard to just give your friend a call to say hi, instead of replying to their status update to ask how the last year of their life has been. (And before you all go thinking I'm some baby-boomer pining for the good ol' days, I should say I am the ripe young-ish age of 31.)

    I will say, I do the reverse of the showroomers. I use the wishlist function on Amazon to keep track of things I find out about online that I want to buy. Especially books. Then, when I have the cash, I go to a local bookstore to make the purchase--HA! take that Amazon!

    Here's to keeping shops/clubs/hangouts/shit-shooting venues around for years to come.

    Jason
     
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  5. KerryS

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    I am oversensitive? First time I believe I have been accused of that one. Usually I am accused of lacking sensitivity. My wife will verify this. Trust me there isn't much you or anyone else can post here that will hurt my feelings. I am old enough now there isn't much you could say to my face that will hurt my feelings.
    I didn't see much here that was hostile (notice spelling) but that can be left to interpretation. Irrational is also subjective. I find most of your posts somewhat irrational.
     
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    I'm kind of like you in this sense. However, not in an effort to stick it to Amazon. What you may not realize is that Amazon actually supports many small businesses by helping them sell through their retail space. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B004IMD1OI/ref=pd_ybh_13?ie=UTF8&condition=new Amazon actually makes more money by providing the platform to sell other people's products, then they do by selling the inventory themselves. This also includes building and maintaining other retailers webstores separate from what is listed by just going to amazon.com. Before you twist my opinion for bias, I will do that for you, my wife works for Amazon. It won't bring back the neighborhood coffee shop/used book store, but at least they are doing something mutually beneficial for small and large business alike.
     
  7. Jason Rolfe

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    I agree. Not trying to pick on Amazon specifically, because I do realize they have created a platform for some small businesses to work through. Just the general idea. And I do appreciate the fact that you can often find out-of-print titles on Amazon that you usually wouldn't find anywhere else.

    J
     
  8. Kcahill

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    Am I the only one that has ordered online from them even though I live like 30 minutes away cause I am lazy...
     
  9. Etamaman

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    If it was not for my local flyshop friends supplying the materials to tie the fly, help with the outerwear, help with the right fly line, and helping out my friends, I would not have been able to go with my friends and land a beauty like this........
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    The emphasis is on friends.....Make sure no task no matter how big or small goes without a "Thank You" to all of your friends.
    Life's too short....Dang near had a PE take me out and I came to realize just how important friends and family are to help you pull through.
    You can replace your waders, but you can't replace your friends.

    OK...sorry for the slight off topic....back to the topic at hand.
     
  10. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Anil. Thanks, but not quite salmon/shrimp pink enough. I know you had some earlier and my friend got some from your shop. I haven't had a chance to stop by, but I will in the next week or so. I'll check it out.
     
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    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Just imagine the possibilities if we could harness the energy from some of these posts :D
     
  12. Anil

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    Therein lies the issue with ordering online or from a catalog. I agree with you that I like my 'Shrimp Pink' to be more 'Shrimp' and less 'Pink'. But that is this particular dye batch, from this particular company. We do have some beautiful shrimp pink fur and marabou though. As well as two other shades of 'pink' hackle.
     
  13. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Etamaman thank for the kind words. I thanked the gentleman for coming in and gave him a brochure of all the upcoming classes and seminars that we have planned. The fly fishing community is too small to hold a grudge against anyone. This guy will come back sometime because he will remember we treated him with respect.
    Everyone who walks in the door gets the same degree of service and respect regardless of the amount of money they spend.
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    If I was in Spokane, I would not hesitate to purchase from your shop. You have the "right" attitude. I'm the old fart that would stop by, make a small purchase of $10, and, if I'm treated with respect and a smile, I'll guarantee I would be back. Because, next time, it could be the $200-$700 purchase. If someone in a shop isn't friendly because of my small purchase, I generally won't be back.
     
  14. Steve Call

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    I have NEVER spent just $10 in a fly shop. I figure that's why they smile at me!
     
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    A slight tangent, but although it's true that some fly shops are closing, I often stop to think how lucky we are that there are so many in this region. It doesn't seem that long ago to me that Patrick's was the only fly shop in Seattle, although you could get some fly stuff or fly-related gear at other sporting good stores and the like. Actually I don't think there were any "full-survice" fly shops until maybe the late 70s. I recall picking up odds and ends at Warshall's, Eddie Bauer, Hippo's, and my first Wheatley fly box actually came from the old Frederick & Nelson department store.

    Ultimately the number of fly shops we have will be determined by the size of the fly fishing market, which I heard peaked nearly a decade ago. If true, there will be fewer fly shops going forward, and the total fly business will be split between internet sales and brick and mortar shops, like most other kinds of retail businesses.

    Sg